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So I really want to start a new army but I can't decide wether I want VC or WoC.
Which army would you recommend? Are VC hard to play with? I've heard that.

Anyways can you guys post pros and cons with each army?
(If I would go WoC I wont have any Marauders btw so you don't have to talk about them)

WoC (marauderless)
Pros – Warriors are beastly, chosen are beastlier, characters are the beastliest in game, good to great magic, hellcannons are great, need few models.
Cons – Almost allways outnumbered, get shot a lot, prone to gettin swarmed, insufficent ranks to break on the charge unless deathstared.

VC
Pros – Troops that tend to multiply in game, nice support units, awesome characters, good magic.
Cons – Weak overpriced basic troops, character reliant, need bucketloads of models, outdated armybook.

Basically we are better than you guys at almost everything except shooting.

Warriors are pretty much tanks.

I run an all warriors list.

I enjoy tz warriors with shields and a few khorne warriors with halberds.

Who dosnt love a really beastly lord that goes in and slaughters everything, well we have those.
A sorcerer that flies around casts magic and is very livable, check got that too.

The hellcannon is a sweet model and is really awesome in the game template plus it causes terror and is um breakable what's not to like.

Lots of cool models are always a bonus.

You can pretty competitive lists and chill fun lists with funny stuff.

Low model count means your wallet will not be super sad.

If you want the table to look like Night of the Living Dead then go for VC. Their troops suck, but when you can bring them back do you really care if they die(again)? I haven't played against WoC but they are very hard and their Lords/Heroes are wrecking machines. I might be hesitant to throw my tyrant against some of those guys. VC also have some really hard hitting characters but if they die then loads of guys around them do too.

Chaos lords are as beastly as they come those guys will wreck almost anything they touch.

BRETTONIA!!! thats the one im thinking about anyway. between VC and Chaos, i would go chaos!!!

Boo on the silly half french half english horse lovers

Chaos all the way destroy the old world for the chaos gods

But really your call chaos is pretty cool we have sweet models, powerful core units strong specials and rares and our lords make other races cry.

For the dark gods.

I'd say go Ogre.

Buuuut since you said VC or WoC, I'd say go VC for the simple reason of the fluff.

WoC = Savages from the north that follow chaos. That's about it.

Vampires - People from a long time ago that dabbled in some pretty wicked stuff to stay alive. Their fellow people didn't like those so attempted to wipe them out. After getting pushed out, the people set up a necropolis of sorts. This eventually got toppled, killing a goodly portion of the vampires in the process. The rest scattered and became the different types. Also, the Strigoi makes a much more interesting leader then some mountain man who's just a bit stronger than his fellows. Pretty much they became vampire outcasts for something they did in the past and got everyone, including other vampires, to hate them. Fearing detection if they fed on people, they just ate ghouls, turning them into some pretty messed up creatures.


If you care more about winning than anything else go WoC, if you like dead things go VC. Both have cool models, but I mean...VC have zombies (which sort of suck) and armored skeletons.

VC army list doesnt seem to make sense. Ive looked it a couple of times and tried to build lists but the expensive lord means that anything below 2000 runs into very weird issues.

If you make a caster lord you essentially waste the awesome stat line he has and he has slowed options (you have to pay 25 points to give him mundane equip!).

If you make him a CC monster you get no decent magical support other than level 1 necromancers spamming invocation of nehek and getting dispelled.

Unit choices are very "meh". You get ghouls which are only good for flanking(or attempted flanking), black knights which require a vampire to function(no flanking by themselves), flying units that can't take out warmachines because they need a vampire within 6 inches to march, spirit hosts that can't do anything except (possibly) tie up cavalry....

Most of the mobile units aren't actually mobile because they can't march at all unless you have a vampire with them.

Woc savage beasts make them sound so weak.

Try saying something like combat monsters.

Lords are well ya good luck those guys will tear through everything you can throw at them.

Sorcerers well those guys cast shenanigans all over the place.

Your core is better than most armies elite troops.

Your elite troops are almost heros for other races if set up properly.

Marauders cheap as they come sweet stat line and for 300 pts you get 50 of them fc and gw and mok as in a horde with gives you 41 attacks when run in horde formation

Go Warriors of Chaos.

I recently started and have not even read all the rules and i still won both times i play vc. In other words even a total noob could beat you if you played vc (or maybe im just super awesome).

I go for models and the VC stuff is better having had a relatively recent overhaul (new necromancer is the bomb too).

There is also a new VC monster out next month which most people are assuming will be an Abyssal Terror.

Vampire Counts can be an expensive army to buy into. Just saying...

I would go with what you like the most model wise and fluff wise. As long as you are a competent player you can win matches with any army. Once you play the army a bit you'll learn what it can and cant do, and if you pick up an army you really like it will inspire you to mod and convert and spend the extra time to make it yours .

Vampire Counts can be an expensive army to buy into. Just saying...

No doubt, is there any other more expensive unit in the game than 5 for 100$?

Yeah the price of the Blood Knights is ridiculous... I actually laughed out loud when I saw their price. I wouldn't pay that much for a unit of 5 when I can get a batallion with the army and still save money lol. Well, depeds on what army I guess.

But anyways thank you guys, I've decided to go Mono-khorne WoC! (except in SoM where I will bring the two newly released wizards)

Blood for the blood god!

Question wrote:VC army list doesnt seem to make sense. Ive looked it a couple of times and tried to build lists but the expensive lord means that anything below 2000 runs into very weird issues.

If you make a caster lord you essentially waste the awesome stat line he has and he has slowed options (you have to pay 25 points to give him mundane equip!).

If you make him a CC monster you get no decent magical support other than level 1 necromancers spamming invocation of nehek and getting dispelled.

I think you should look in the 'Heroes' area. There's things called 'Vampires'. Which can be brought to level 2 or even given an entire lore (except life). These can lend good magic support to your Blender lord. These will also always (even if you give them another lore) have Invocation of Nehek, as will your lord.

Question wrote:Unit choices are very "meh". You get ghouls which are only good for flanking(or attempted flanking), black knights which require a vampire to function(no flanking by themselves), flying units that can't take out warmachines because they need a vampire within 6 inches to march, spirit hosts that can't do anything except (possibly) tie up cavalry....

You got off to a poor start saying Ghouls are only good for flanking. Then proceeded to keep falling.

Question wrote:Most of the mobile units aren't actually mobile because they can't march at all unless you have a vampire with them.

Vanhels. Danse. Macabre.

Ghouls 2 poisoned attacks each they can be raised and brought back to life whats not to like?

Vampires are sick and ok so tk cant march either so?

Vamps are great times I want to play then again soon its been too long.

The army that has terrible units is brets M@A are terrible compared to ghouls and almost every other on foot unit.