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HEROES
Sorceress: 150
-Level 2
-Lore of Shadow
-Tome of Furion
(will be with crossbowmen)

CORE
35x Warriors: 285
-FC
-Shields
-Banner of Murder

10x Crossbowmen: 105
-Musician

SPECIAL
5x Cold One Knights: 175
-FC

5x Shades: 108
-Bloodshade
-Additional Hand Weapon
-Light Armor

RARE
Hydra: 175

Army Total: 998

My first game will be with another friend, he is using a 1000 pt WoC army, and we are going against a 2000 pt O&G army that will more than likely be running a large horde.
Should I keep the hydra or make room for 2 bolt throwers to make up for his lack of ranged?

Honestly I would be scared to play against this list at 1000 points with anything but Skaven... This is a scary and well built list.

My only qualm would be to drop 10 spearmen in favor of more crossbows. Other than that it looks top notch.

I would probably tone down the Spearmen to 25, 30 max. With only five in the unit you're spending 40pts in Cold One Knight command that won't make a big difference in their damage output. Liekwise with your Shades, the Champion and Light Armor make practically no difference in their output.

Dropping the Spearmen to 30 and the excess command/armor options gives you a whopping 100 points to play with, enough for a Cold One Chariot. Personally, I'd go further and replace the Knights with a Chariot but nothing wrong with a 5-man pack of Knights and you probably have them from the battalion already.

Lokhir Fellheart 250 points

level 2 shadow socerceress with tome of furion around 150 points

12 black ark corsairs with reaver musican and standard bearer 125points

29 black ark corsairs with reaver musican and standard bearer 325points (lukhir fellheart joins this unit)

5 Shades with light armor and additional handweapons around 100 points

total approx 1000points

(there's not mutch monsters or range but my doubles partner plays high elves with loads of archers and a lord on dragon)

Kirbinator wrote:I would probably tone down the Spearmen to 25, 30 max. With only five in the unit you're spending 40pts in Cold One Knight command that won't make a big difference in their damage output. Liekwise with your Shades, the Champion and Light Armor make practically no difference in their output.

Dropping the Spearmen to 30 and the excess command/armor options gives you a whopping 100 points to play with, enough for a Cold One Chariot. Personally, I'd go further and replace the Knights with a Chariot but nothing wrong with a 5-man pack of Knights and you probably have them from the battalion already.

I second this with if you make these changes this list is just downright mean at 1000 points.

Yeah, at this point level command on CoK is kinda lackluster. Maybe a musician for those quick reforms, but beyond that the only point to taking command on CoK is for:

a) the magic goodies the champion and standard bearer can carry, or

b) a much larger unit - 10 or so minimum

which is a wee bit beyond what you can really afford on 1000 points.


Personally, I think you'd be better off with more shades than taking the armor and champion there too.

For that game I had dropped command on the CoK's as well as the Bloodshade and Light Armor and added a seal of Ghrond to the sorceress and used Metal instead of shadow...that was a mistake.
As for the Spearmen, I was running a slave train formation, unfortunately they didn't even make it to the horde of night goblin archers do to the 3 fanatics it was concealing. (This was my first game ever, now I know)
The CoK's were lacking numbers, I lost 2 to the archers and failed the panic test, running off the table.

Can I bring Lokhir and a Sorceress? I was under the impression they were part of the same percentage.

My RxB's and shades did the best, thinking of dropping 10 spearmen, run them 5x5, and adding a second unit of 10 RxB's

I'd drop the Bloodshade for another shade, and the knight champion for another knight.


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Cold One Knights are also Stupid, meaning they are Immune to Psychology- so no panic tests for them...

Best cure for Fanatics is 5 Harpies. Bounce them around within 8" of any units that might hide a fanatic and get them out in the open where you can shoot them down. Bonus points for getting the harpies behind their line, which means the fantaics will be too!