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Hey all,

Couldn't find my book so have to ask....a Rhino is trying to ram a venom to get out trap i set for my opponent. Now I remember that a skimmer dodges but is hit on a roll of 1 or 2....so here is my question....

Can a skimmer choose not to dodge a ram or does it always dodge unless a 1 or 2 is rolled?

Given how the rule is worded, it's optional.

There is no reason not to dodge, as the rhino would always halt unless the venom explodes, even if the skimmer dodges.

While I don't believe it's mandatory to dodge, I'm in complete agreeance with Jimdah that I can't think of a reason you would want to NOT dodge. If you succeed in dodging, the Rhino stops in place. If it hits you and doesn't explode the vehicle, it still stops in place.

Unless for some very odd and situational reason you would want to forego the ability to preserve your own models and units.

The reason not to dodge is that I had the rhino surrounded with 10 marines inside by 4 Venoms. I was going to rush over some Scourges to destroy it, killing the unit trapped inside. So if choosing not to dodge, the rhino could only inflict a S2 hit on the Venom...not enough to do any damage. We ended up rolling the dodge, rolled a 2, and then on my turn, wreck it with the Scourges.

DaOrkz1977 wrote:The reason not to dodge is that I had the rhino surrounded with 10 marines inside by 4 Venoms. I was going to rush over some Scourges to destroy it, killing the unit trapped inside. So if choosing not to dodge, the rhino could only inflict a S2 hit on the Venom...not enough to do any damage. We ended up rolling the dodge, rolled a 2, and then on my turn, wreck it with the Scourges.

But if you had dodged the ram in the exact same situation, the rhino would have inflicted no hit and the venom and still stopped in the exact same place it had by inflicting a S2 hit on it.

I think the word "skimmers may try to dodge out of the way" implies that the skimmer model would move out the way leaving room for an emergency disembark. When in fact the skimmer model doesn't actually move to dodge.

Right so I end my turn surrounding his rhino...weaponless....on my opponents turn he wants to tank shock 12" forward to make room for emergency disembark. He announces tank shock, I declare skimmer not dodging, and he goes no where....he shoots from fire points, doesn't do anything...and my turn I wreck the rhino thru glancing hits from haywire blasters....

So this is a tactic I can use....right?

Yes, but as everyone is trying to point out you can declare the skimmer is dodging and roll your save. If you don't dodge he does the hit and probably doesn't move. If you do dodge he definitely doesn't hit and definitely doesn't move. A vehicle doing a ram can only move through another vehicle if it explodes it, it stops moving in all other cases. And the dodge save doesn't actually give you permission to move the skimmer, so the skimmer stays where it is.

Also, because he declared a ram (not just a tank shock, has to be a ram if he wants to try to move through a vehicle) the passengers can't fire.

Chrysis - incorrect. The *vehicle* cannot fire, however as long as the vehicle ends up moving 6" or less the passengers may still fire.

It appears you are correct, I thought there was a prohibition on passengers firing as well.

never mind

ignore

Regarding rules after a skimmer dodges "the ramming tank stops in it's tracks (literally!),its crew confused and disappointed"