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I have a queston for all you great hardcore fluff guys.

We all know that that the warp is were the emotions from us and xenos collect and form the 4 big bads, but what happened to all the fuzzys that everyone feels? Dont they come together and form big centers of nice stuff? Islands in the evil sea?

That pritty much what i want to know.
Thanks

They get eaten by the Big Four, IIRC.

I think the nice fuzzies get corrupted the moment they enter the warp, peer pressure you know.

I think the big 4 eat them too. They aren't limited to feeding off only negative emotions. Example: Tzeentch feeds off hope. (I also heard that Nurgle feeds off hope.)

The Ruinous Powers aren't inherently evil, but they're evil because the 40k universe is full of evil. There's a lot more lust than there is love, for example, making Slannesh a God of Lust far more than it is a god of Love.

Liber Chaotica explains that the warp is dominated by ( at least if my memory serves me right ) the strongest, most primal emotions, those which are concerned with survival.

Not to mention that each of the Big Four are typically described as having multiple facets, some of which aren't necessarily bad:

Khorne is war and bloodshed, but also pride and honor

Tzeentch is deceit and manipulation, but also hope and intellectual pursuit

Nurgle is stagnation and decay, but also is "Papa Nurgle" (nurturing or fatherly aspects)

Slaanesh is vice and excess, but that can encompass a lot of mirth and joy as well as pain and debauchery

Like the previous posters said, positive emotions are swallowed up and subsumed, overshadowed by stronger negative emotions, but they do still exist.

The aspects of each of the Chaos gods covers the goody goody emotions. Thats the answer.

The fuzzies exist as currents and eddies in the Warp, the just aren't sizable enough to manifest a personality.

Pretty much. Ever see Ghostbusters 2? There was no naturally occurring river of positive slime, and there is no naturally occurring 'nice' Warp beings. Most sentient species are just too rotten for that.

One theory says that the Big E noms them for EVEN MORE POWERZ!

That, or, there is another 'chaos god' that forms the nice emotions, but that he's hiding, because the others are scary and violent.

The chaos gods don't represent evil, they represent their emotion in it's most extreme form. Daemons kill because chaos wishes to dominate this would be the same even if they were made of "nice" emotions. Mortal cultists are evil because they wish to spread their beliefs or because the only way to feel their emotion is to fight. Mortals get addicted and go further, this is mortals in ability to control themselves rather than chaos being inherently bad.

No emotions are good or bad. How moral an action is depends on the context. Chaos takes the emotion out of context and applies it constantly. The evil is just the result of emotion overtaking all rationality.

Actually, the Ruinous Powers really are evil. Through and through evil. Chaos ultimately warps and corrupts everything it touches, and it never has truly beneficial outcomes.

In WHFRP, there are "Gods of Order" who oppose the Chaos Gods (same 4 guys/gal/things as WH40K) and who are made up of... slightly nicer emotions, for the most part, except for those Order Gods who are so esoteric and weird that mortal minds simply cannot comprehend what it is they represent.

There's also the fact that the positive human emotions generally come with qualifiers. One can be happy, for example... while reveling in the carnage of battle. Or indulging one's vices for pleasure. Or in upsetting the established order of things to herald in something new and different. So "happiness", for example, is simply too ephemeral a concept to really coalesce into a daemon or Chaotic Power. "Love" is in much the same boat... too many qualifiers and quantifiers to stand on its own in the same way Bloodlust, Depravity, Change and Disease do.

There is, after all, no one in the entire 40K universe who loves everyone and everything unconditionally. This would be the representation of a "Chaos God of Love", something that embodies the ideal of its portfolio to supernatural extremes.

Chaos corrupts but not to being evil. It corrupts those it touches into giving in to their emotions. The effects of the chaos gods are evil but they themelves are just emotions taken to extreme. Love feeds slaanesh as much as lust. Chaos doesn't care if your evil or not. It just happens that allowing one emotion to dominate you tends to lead to evil.

Love doesn't feed Slaanesh at all, unless you're into the physical act of loving something that your society considers it a perversity to love. Like your dog or small children.

The moniker "The Prince of Pleasure" is just that, a name, a title. It's not a job description. Just because you find a walk in a warm summer rain a pleasure doesn't mean you're engaging in an act of devotion to Slaanesh (unless you're already one of his cultists, in which case the rules are different)... unless you take these walks into some truly disturbing extremes. That's when it becomes a Slaaneshi thing.

An Imperial citizen who takes pleasure in the company of his lawfully-wedded Imperial wife isn't doing Slaanesh a service when they get to making babies on a Saturday night. There's nothing in excess here, there's nothing depraved about the act. The same is even true of an monogamous couple who happen to be homosexuals, insofar as the Imperium is concerned. It's not going to the extremes that devotion to Slaanesh generally require.

Getting off the topic of sex, it's the same thing with food. Having a good meal you enjoy greatly is fine... eating twenty of those meals at one sitting while being a 400 kilo lard-ass is not. You've taken the simple pleasure of a good meal to an extreme excess, and that's what makes it a Slaaneshi thing.

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:The Ruinous Powers aren't inherently evil, but they're evil because the 40k universe is full of evil. There's a lot more lust than there is love, for example, making Slannesh a God of Lust far more than it is a god of Love.

Pretty much this, imo. The warp is a mirror of people's emotions, and negative emotions are stronger and more prevalent than positive ones, which simply get drowned in the mass like a candle in a stormy night. Grimdark.

Ever seen the movie Sphere? It's kinda like that.

Chaos isn't just about the most extreme acts of that emotion. It's about the whole range, khorne gets power from skilled warriors just as he does from berserkers.

Chaos acts in a way that is extreme because it's nature is to take every emotion as far as possible. This doesn't mean it's based entirely on the most extreme form of the emotion.

Slaanesh is the god of sensations. If you are enjoying a sensation your feeding slaanesh. Of course it prefers you became obsessed with sensations but only because it provides more food.

That is why chaos is so bad- humans can't help but feed it. The warp is a reflection of all emotion. There is no such thing as a bad emotion just a context. The feeling I get from eating the first burger is the same as the feeling I get from eating the hundredth burger. It just seems bad because the context is different. Chaos seems bad because it puts the emotion in the wrong context.

I think that the nice emotions get corrupted by the bad ones in the warp. Like stalkers on some level love their target, but obsession and anger turn it into something evil. Slaanesh would have been perfectly nice if the Eldar society hadn't degenerated like it did.

Chaos isn't just about the most extreme acts of that emotion. It's about the whole range, khorne gets power from skilled warriors just as he does from berserkers.

It has nothing to do with the skill or style of the combatants in question, and everything to do with the fact that Khorne is the god of bloodshed and violence. This is why he's the most powerful of the Chaos Gods.

As the books say, his followers "live only to slay in his name" they have no other desire or purpose in life but to kill, to bring blood to the Blood God and skulls to the Skull Throne.

Slaanesh is the god of sensations. If you are enjoying a sensation your feeding slaanesh. Of course it prefers you became obsessed with sensations but only because it provides more food.

If this were possibly true, Slaanesh would have devoured the entire universe by now. Every living thing has sensation, with the exception of servitors, and even then some of them might. Disregarding animal-intelligence creatures, there's far, far too many sentient beings in the galaxy for the act of a simple pleasure, within normal parameters, to be feeding Slaanesh without hir being the most powerful of the Chaos Gods. It just doesn't add up.

That's where you have to take into consideration the extremes of those sensations. A guy enjoying taking a walk for example feeds Slaanesh. Just like having half a french fry feeds a starving man. I.E. not a whole heck of a lot. The crazed psycho killer however is extreme and would feed khorne greater as the emotions are on a different level.

Thats one of the schticks of Chaos. It takes something normally healthy, and twists it so that it can feed itself all the more. Slaanesh gets more from an orgy of 50 people who are into BDSM as compared to a God-Emperor fearing couple making babies does. However, they both still feed her/him/. . .it

CalgarsPimpHand wrote:Not to mention that each of the Big Four are typically described as having multiple facets, some of which aren't necessarily bad:

Khorne is war and bloodshed, but also pride and honor

Tzeentch is deceit and manipulation, but also hope and intellectual pursuit

Nurgle is stagnation and decay, but also is "Papa Nurgle" (nurturing or fatherly aspects)

Slaanesh is vice and excess, but that can encompass a lot of mirth and joy as well as pain and debauchery

Like the previous posters said, positive emotions are swallowed up and subsumed, overshadowed by stronger negative emotions, but they do still exist.

This, essentially. The Four are made up of every emotion to do with them, which includes the positives as well as the negatives. However, as humans |(and most other races) perceive Chaos as evil, that tends to be why the negative emotions hold greater sway.

I see, thank you for all your imput.

That's where you have to take into consideration the extremes of those sensations. A guy enjoying taking a walk for example feeds Slaanesh. Just like having half a french fry feeds a starving man. I.E. not a whole heck of a lot. The crazed psycho killer however is extreme and would feed khorne greater as the emotions are on a different level.

Thats one of the schticks of Chaos. It takes something normally healthy, and twists it so that it can feed itself all the more. Slaanesh gets more from an orgy of 50 people who are into BDSM as compared to a God-Emperor fearing couple making babies does. However, they both still feed her/him/. . .it

Exactly. Chaos doesn't distinguish between good and bad it just want you to feel as much emotion as possible. It's just that following this path usually leads to evil actions.

Khorne feeds on warriors pride and enjoyment of honourable combat as much as pure rage. Most khorne worshippers are berserkers because they began as normal warriors but their desire to fight consumes them until all they feel is the need to kill. Pride and Honour are "good" emotions yet belong to khorne.

Many Tzeentch worshipers begin as people wishing to improve their postion in life. Their is no evil in their intentions they just hope for a better life. As they continue this isn't enough so they manipulate more.

It's like an addiction. The drug (whatever emotion they want) is the same but the quantities needed for the effect increase. Any emotion take to that extreme is destructive. Being good is about applying your emotions in balanced and controled amounts.

The reason slaanesh hasn't taken over is all the chaos gods draw power from everything and so stay in balance. It takes a lot of emotion to feed a chaos god.

They are absorbed and perverted by the Chaos Gods already there:

For example, Nurgle in many ways embodies love and family...