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hello all,

i have a game coming up against ether ultramarines or eldar and this is the list ive been running for a while i was just looking for some feedback.
all feedback welcomed.



Flesh tearers 1750 army list

HQ;
Chapter master Gabriel seth = 160 points
ELITES;
Chaplain (to go with death company) =100 points
Furioso librarian with wings of sanguinus and blood lance = 175 points
5 man terminator squad, with assault cannon = 230 points
TROOPS;
5 man tactical squad with power fist = 115 points
10 man death company squad with;
Boltguns
Jump packs
And two power fists = 400 points
5 man assault squad with jump packs and power fist = 125 points
5 man assault squad with power fist in rhino = 140 points

FAST ATTACK
Baal predator with assault cannon, heavy bolter side sponsors and extra armour = 145 points
Baal predator with assault cannon, heavy bolter side sponsors and extra armour = 145 points

TOTAL 1735

Your chaplain doesn't have a JP to go with his JP buddies in black. Other than some personal preferences of psychic powers on the dread and not taking a 5 man tactical squad in a BA army... it looks ok.

I have almost no experience (works out I get to play about once a month) so these are genuine questions.

1735 points and you only have 3 scoring units, and they're 5 model units. Does this give you issues in objective games or do you just go for "kill them all" regardless of mission?

500pts on a chaplain and jump pack dc? Ouch! Make that uncontrollable ouch. For 500pts you could have two 10 man RAS with 2x melta each and a jump pack priest to give them FC and FnP.

A 5 man tac squad with PF and no transport? Wouldn't a scout squad with a missile launcher be a better objective sitter?

Why extra armor on the predators and no melta on the assault squads?

You have no melta or LC and only 3 assault cannons. How do you deal with AV13+? Especially now that you have to roll to hit with Blood lance.

I know Seth is fluffy, but is he worth 160pt?

I agree that the Death Company is a massive points sink. At the very least, consider cutting them down to five models, as your current squad will be overkill. You will often want to stick in CC for a round so they can't be shot.

I also agree that the Tactical Squad makes no sense. I personally don't think Tactical Squads belong in Blood Angels armies, but I know not everyone feels that way. I think everyone would agree that the way you're fielding your doesn't make any sense. What is that unit's role? If they're meant for CC, couldn't you find 10 points somewhere to make them an Assault Squad, which would give you better mobility and more attacks? If they're meant to camp on an objective, a Scout squad is pretty clearly more suited to the task.

Finally, I think you have too many upgrades and toys. The Terminator Squad is a poor fit. Tactical Terminators don't fit the army, and they should at least have a Cyclone launcher so they can threaten more targets. You also have a weird mix of infantry and mech, usually not a good idea. It's too easy for an opponent to destroy your vehicles when you don't mech up completely. If that's what you want to do, BA is a great army, but you need to put at least 10 vehicles on the table at this points level. I put 10 on the table at 1500.