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didnt know what forum to put this question but tryin it here, are 3 warbuggies spread in front of a battlewagon big enough to give the battlewagon a coversave? i have no idea as i have no warbuggy models to try it out.

How long is a piece of string?

The only way to tell is to eyeball it in progress. It depends entirely on the models being used, and the position of the firers.

if you scratchbuild models can you make them bigger than the gw ones or is that cheating?

It's called "modeling for advantage" and is not viewed favorably at all.

If you do a great scratch build that ends up being a little bigger no one will complain. But if your only purpose in scratch building is gain an advantage, then you're being TFG.

There are no rules covering scratchbuilds or converting.

As a general rule, people don't really care what you do so long as you are not obviously modelling for an advantage. So while there are no rules against building bigger buggies to block LOS (nor any rules actually allowing it) it's unlikely to be well received at the table.

Besides which, there are better ways to protect your Battlewagon...

BAN wrote:if you scratchbuild models can you make them bigger than the gw ones or is that cheating?

Modelling something contrary to how it was intended for the purposes of making them better (or "modelling for advantage") is heavily frowned upon. It's not strictly against the rules (unless you want to invalidate all conversions in the game), but it's a mark of poor sportsmanship to do so.

It's like the infamous kneeling/crawling Wraithlord, or the guy with a banner large enough to block LOS completely to friendly models.

On the other hand, if you make a model that happens to be bigger than the GW model without the intention of using it to your advantage, just make sure you're more lenient when it comes to LOS blocking. It helps to explain to your opponent why you're doing it, as well.

so does anyone know how much of a battlewagon 3 gw buggies would cover??

Actually, you could use the old rogue trader edition battle wagon. Miniatures never expire.

If i could get three of those i would

I had one back in the day, but I sold it :(

The official buggies are pretty low-slung, and so would probably not cover 1/2 of the BW from any angle.

That said the orks riding the buggies are about the size of grots, because the miniature is so old. I use the old trukks as buggies also, as they are about the same size..

I've been accused of modelling for advantage for replacing the gunner with an ork-sized ork instead of a runt.

BAN wrote:so does anyone know how much of a battlewagon 3 gw buggies would cover??

Again, there is no answer to this. It depends on exactly where the vehicles are sitting, what is shooting at them, and where that shooter is positioned.


Buggies are pretty low, though, so I wouldn't count on them providing that secure a cover save.

You'd be better off having a KFF mek passenger, really.

Trukks can provide cover pretty well

jayjester wrote:Actually, you could use the old rogue trader edition battle wagon. Miniatures never expire.

Man I really want a few of those battlewagons...


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Ascalam wrote:
I use the old trukks as buggies also, as they are about the same size.. :

I converted my 3 buggies out of the old trucks as well, I have never had any complaints.

Yeah, one of my buggies is an old trukk. I use a converted Chimera as a Trukk.

If i could get three of those i would

I had one back in the day, but I sold it :(

The official buggies are pretty low-slung, and so would probably not cover 1/2 of the BW from any angle.

That said the orks riding the buggies are about the size of grots, because the miniature is so old. I use the old trukks as buggies also, as they are about the same size..

I've been accused of modelling for advantage for replacing the gunner with an ork-sized ork instead of a runt.

Yeh im definately putting ork sized orks in my trakk/buggy, not to make it bigger, to make it better.

Deffkopta screening is very possible... Buggies, I would have a hard time with the current GW model or any appropriate stand-ins.

A wartrakk might have a chance, but no way for a buggy. It would have a hard time even covering wheels and tracks.

Cheexsta wrote:

It's like the infamous kneeling/crawling Wraithlord, or the guy with a banner large enough to block LOS completely to friendly models.

I'm pretty sure there is stated in the rules that accesories like wings, weapons and banners do not coun for LoS, don't remember the exact page but it goes somewhere along that only the actual body can be shot therefore only it blocks LoS. Nothing to do on the crawling wraith thou :/

Lord Yayula wrote:

Cheexsta wrote:

It's like the infamous kneeling/crawling Wraithlord, or the guy with a banner large enough to block LOS completely to friendly models.

I'm pretty sure there is stated in the rules that accesories like wings, weapons and banners do not coun for LoS, don't remember the exact page but it goes somewhere along that only the actual body can be shot therefore only it blocks LoS. Nothing to do on the crawling wraith thou :/

PG 16 in the BRB if you care to read it for yourself.

Lord Yayula wrote:I'm pretty sure there is stated in the rules that accesories like wings, weapons and banners do not coun for LoS, don't remember the exact page but it goes somewhere along that only the actual body can be shot therefore only it blocks LoS. Nothing to do on the crawling wraith thou :/

Half right. The LOS rules tell us that only certain parts of the model count for drawing LOS to the model. They don't tell us that the rest of the model doesn't block LOS, though. So on a model with a banner, the banner is not a valid target, but does block LOS.

As far as converting goes the rule of cool is the best way to go about it. I converted some deffkoptas into warbuggies ,by chopping off the top and adding some wheels to the bottom.Everyone who sees them really like it and they came out being 2" tall which is tall enough to give cover to a wagon if you screen them properly .

ive seen that done before it looks well good, im seriously thinking of getting some ww2 german halftracks from airfix or whateva and converting them up

well since it is perspective of the model you could put your buggies closer to the more threatening units and thanks to perspective they either have to shoot the buggie or the wagon would get a cover save... but you'd be out of kff range at that point so likely bye bye buggie

BAN wrote:so does anyone know how much of a battlewagon 3 gw buggies would cover??

Using the actual GW buggies, no that wouldnt happen, because they are from an era where the models of vehicles were tiny. So theres no WAY they would cover a BW. I made just recently, 2 burna buggies (skorcha upgrades) using landspeeders, they look pretty good and are still basically the same size as a speeder, a couple days ago I saw the actual skorcha model and it is PUNY! As far as size goes, I hoed myself because they are nearly twice the size of the actual model (yes a speeder, you can imagine how small it is)

So basically if you make model muggies they will be bigger then the original models, I guarantee you still wont be able to make them cover a BW, they are too damn big. Trukks OTOH, yea you can cover those

hmmm i was considering going for 2 full trukks instead of one full battleagon anyway... i hate writing lists... far too much to think about

BAN wrote:hmmm i was considering going for 2 full trukks instead of one full battleagon anyway... i hate writing lists... far too much to think about

Made my day

i just want other people to write them for me... then i can complain when it doesnt work