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I want to Ram my battle wagon into that rhino, or Tank Shock the marines behind it, but for me to do that I would have to pivot my battlewagon onto these Deathwing terminators, which wouldn't be legal would it ?

Tank Shock

To make this kind of attack, first turn the vehicle on the
spot in the direction you intend to move it and declare
how many inches the vehicle is going to move. The
vehicle must move at least at combat speed. Note that
because pivoting on the spot does not count as
moving, this is not enough for a tank shock.

I cannot exactly pivot my Battlewagon without hitting enemy models, Am I suposed to lift my wagon in the air pivot it, then land it ? or am I just not allowed to do this at all since I can only tank shock/ram in one direction and nothing is directly in front of me?

The tank shock rules say "When moving a tank" not "instead of moving the tank" so in my eyes you can move 6" forward, pivot, then declare your tank shock and use the rest of your movement to get there.

Obrek - you cannot, as you must "first turn"

To OP - you cannot decalre tank shock, as you want to ram. Ram tells you to pivot then move your full speed, tank shocking unts in the way. So you can TS through the unit before ramming into the tank

That in no way stops you from tank shocking. "First turn..." is telling you how you begin a tank shock. Since tank shocking is not described as being done in place of movement you can move before you do it. You can easily move, turn the vehicle you intend to move it the rest of the way and then declare inches of movement.

"nstead of moving normally"

Frst lines of tanks shock.

Much better argument

okay, even If I am to tank shock the terminators right on me, how am i supposed to pivot to do so, without going through models ? should I act as if they are not there in order to get it aligned how I want ?

or do I strafe the tank ? Can I do that ?

Technically if you pivot and then move any distance you have tank shocked them. Because you are instantly coming into contact with them they have to make a morale check, but "pivoting on the spot does not count as moving, this is not enough for a tank shock" so after you pivot you must move some distance even though you already came into contact with them(which I suspect is the part that is unclear)

Rulebook page 63, under successive turns.

If the vehicle pivots on the spot (to shoot at its attackers for example), move these models out of the way as you shift the vehicle and then place them back into base contact with the vehicle.

Tylarion wrote:Rulebook page 63, under successive turns.

If the vehicle pivots on the spot (to shoot at its attackers for example), move these models out of the way as you shift the vehicle and then place them back into base contact with the vehicle.

Very good sir! I think that covers the situation. The tank is able to Tank Shock in this case because first it pivots and using the rule on page 63 the models that assaulted it are simply moved out of the way, and then you actually declare you tank shock distance which may or may not end up catching the models in base contact depending on where the models are placed back into base contact with the vehicle.

Of course, technically this only covers situations where the models assaulted the vehicle. If the vehicle got to that point through a previous tank shock, for example, and then the unit did not move again in its turn you could easily run into the same situation but now not covered by the page 63 proviso.

However at least the unit would not be in base contact with the vehicle, they would have to be at least 1" away.

nosferatu1001 wrote:However at least the unit would not be in base contact with the vehicle, they would have to be at least 1" away.

Of course, but they could still very easily prevent the tank from pivoting in a very similar situation to the one presented above if they were 1" away from the Battlewagon instead of being in base contact with it.

Obrek wrote:Technically if you pivot and then move any distance you have tank shocked them. Because you are instantly coming into contact with them they have to make a morale check, but "pivoting on the spot does not count as moving, this is not enough for a tank shock" so after you pivot you must move some distance even though you already came into contact with them(which I suspect is the part that is unclear)

exactly lol, so it's like, i pivot, moving into the models, yet I'm not tank shocking them so it's some sort of mystery movement? uhg

Tylarion wrote:Rulebook page 63, under successive turns.

If the vehicle pivots on the spot (to shoot at its attackers for example), move these models out of the way as you shift the vehicle and then place them back into base contact with the vehicle.

ahhh perfect! thank you I knew this answer had to be in there somewhere!


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yakface wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:However at least the unit would not be in base contact with the vehicle, they would have to be at least 1" away.

Of course, but they could still very easily prevent the tank from pivoting in a very similar situation to the one presented above if they were 1" away from the Battlewagon instead of being in base contact with it.

hmm so POTENTIALLY say I tankshock into a mob of 30 boyz, and my movement would end me right smack in the middle of the mob, they're fearless so they all just move 1" away shortest distance possible, which could very likely be in a fashion that completely surrounds it, they don't move or assault on their turn, once it's my turn again, my only viable option is to tank shock straight forward (or ram something that is straight forward, thus tank shocking whatever is on the way) ? correct?

Rulebook page 68.

When moving a tank, the player can declare that the vehicle is going to attempt to make a tank shock attack instead of moving normally. This is an exception to the rule that enemy models cannot be moved through.

Doesn't this rule mean that you can pivot anyway with enemy in the way, since you are moving through them?

Tylarion wrote:Rulebook page 68.

When moving a tank, the player can declare that the vehicle is going to attempt to make a tank shock attack instead of moving normally. This is an exception to the rule that enemy models cannot be moved through.

Doesn't this rule mean that you can pivot anyway with enemy in the way, since you are moving through them?

The problem is, based on the wording posted in the OP, the rules seem to indicate that the initial pivot that is made by a vehicle which is going to tank shock is not technically part of the tank shock move itself and therefore could not be used to push models out of the way (with the pivot).

I think your find on page 63 covers most situations though.

on pg 63 of the main book it says

" if the vehicle pivots on the spot ( to shoot at attackers for example), move these models out of the way as you shift the vehicle and then place them back into base contact with the vehicle"


and on pg 68 (tank shock->ramming) it says "to make this kind of attack, FIRST turn the spot you intend to move it and..."

it seems to me that the battlewagon can turn on that spot and the terminators need to get out of the way.

as far as i can tell

I would play it like how ZOMBIE CAT describes. It is sort of silly that a couple of Orks or Space Marines could stop an entire tank from turning. I think I would just invoke p 63 on pretty much all situations involving a vechile pivoting before moving with enemy models in the way.

Kurce wrote:I would play it like how ZOMBIE CAT describes. It is sort of silly that a couple of Orks or Space Marines could stop an entire tank from turning. I think I would just invoke p 63 on pretty much all situations involving a vechile pivoting before moving with enemy models in the way.

Page 63 is in reference to models in b2b contact with the vehicle. If the enemy models are not in b2b with the vehicle, the vehicle would not be able to pivot through the them, thus denying OP's tank shock/ram.

Do the terminators get tank shocked? The Ram is the declared action, but in doing so you tank shock infantry along the way. Since you are already in contact, does it negate them from tank shock?

They get tank shocked, as it states in ramming rules