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Hi all,

I've been thinking about which army to start after my 'nids are all painted and finished. I've decided I want to do a heavily converted army next and as I'm not expecting masses of money any time soon, I've decided that I'm going to do two at once but very slowly. I'm going to buy a model and squad for each army and won't buy any more for that army until the previous model/squad is completely converted, painted and everything.

I've decided that one of these armies is going to be thousand sons but I'm not sure about the other. I've decided that it's either going to be grey knights or i'm going to start fantasy with high elves. it all depends on the background I can come up with for grey knights.

So, I've been thinking of doing Inquisitor Kryptman. What's that you say? But tantan he's been deemed a traitor for his radical actions to stop the tyranids? I know, I know, but he's still alive and is still loyal to the imperium in his own way. So I was thinking what if a bunch of grey knights who had been under Kryptman's command stayed loyal to him and fled to fight independently of the imperium with Kryptman. Is this possible? Would it happen? etc. and vote up top and give comments as well please.

GK do not fight for Ordo Xenos.
Kryptman is Ordo Xenos.
He uses Deathwatch and AFAIK the last loyal (to him) members of the Deathwatch died getting those gene-stealers that he used to distract the Nids.
AFAIK Kryptman is currently fighting a running battle with Ahriman.

Oh, didn't realise about the whole ordo xenos don't use gk thing.

Ok then, so what about another inquisitor from ordo malleus then? What if he was in same situation where he's declared traitor but he's still on imperium's side. Would gk remain loyal like mentioned earlier?

tantan628 wrote:Oh, didn't realise about the whole ordo xenos don't use gk thing.

Ok then, so what about another inquisitor from ordo malleus then? What if he was in same situation where he's declared traitor but he's still on imperium's side. Would gk remain loyal like mentioned earlier?

Unlikely...
If the Inquisitor can convince them of his loyalty to the Imperium and that his current mission was important enough maybe. Otherise they would probably dust him and bring his body back to Titan. Most Inquisitors that go rogue in the Ordo Malleus go off the deep end so it's even more likely they would kill him.

Whoa there, according to Codex: Grey Knights the Grey Knights are chamber militant to the enite Inquisition not just Malleus.

That and the GK army list has both a special character Ordos Xenos Inquisitor as well as the option for a generic Ordos Xenos Inquisitor.

That being said, Kryptmann is most often tied in fluff to using Deathwatch. You may want to consider a C:SM list that's heavy on Sternguard, with Inquisitional Stormtroopers counting as Scouts.

Any inquisitor can send a request for GK help but unless it's against daemons they aren't interested. You could use an ordo xenos inquisitor but he would have to be investigating something which lead him to daemons. While inquisitors specialise in one area (hereticus/ malleus/ xenos) they can investigate anything they are interested in, often they will investigate something expecting it to relate to them and will find out it's an entirely different threat.

As stated, needs a little retooling, but you're on the right path. I'd go with the Kryptmann/Deathwatch thing. No reason any of your games couldn't be taking place "in the past" (any games with Brother Tycho in them must be, so it isn't out of the question) when he did have loyal Marines still alive. And there is also no reason he couldn't have snuck back into the Ordo under a different identity.

Ok, well the main reason I wanted to do this was to have a gk army that's in tatters instead of all shiny and special.

So, i was thinking what about a bunch of gk who got stuck in the warp and have been fighting there for centuries or whatever and have now got out of the warp again and so they're all damaged and worn down.

For some reason, the Ordo Xenos inquisitors always are the most interesting characters. Ravenor, Eisenhorn, Kryptman, et. al.

The Malleus guys are all "argh! it's a daemon, kill it!" all the time. I guess Draco is one exception.

The Hereticus guys are all "argh! it's a witch, kill it!" all the time. Can't think of any exceptions.

Omegus wrote:For some reason, the Ordo Xenos inquisitors always are the most interesting characters. Ravenor, Eisenhorn, Kryptman, et. al.

The Malleus guys are all "argh! it's a daemon, kill it!" all the time. I guess Draco is one exception.

The Hereticus guys are all "argh! it's a witch, kill it!" all the time. Can't think of any exceptions.

The Ordo Xenos deals with aliens...
Aliens aren't quite as corrupting or evil as Daemons or Witches so the Inquisitors dealing with them can have a bit more... flexibility in their morality.

Where is Kryptmann now? In a bodybag, probably.

purplefood wrote:
The Ordo Xenos deals with aliens...
Aliens aren't quite as corrupting or evil as Daemons or Witches so the Inquisitors dealing with them can have a bit more... flexibility in their morality.

Yet in their respective books they hardly ever deal with aliens, but rather cataclysmic daemonic incursions, incredibly potent unsanctioned psykers, and Machiavellian cults.

Omegus wrote:

purplefood wrote:
The Ordo Xenos deals with aliens...
Aliens aren't quite as corrupting or evil as Daemons or Witches so the Inquisitors dealing with them can have a bit more... flexibility in their morality.

Yet in their respective books they hardly ever deal with aliens, but rather cataclysmic daemonic incursions, incredibly potent unsanctioned psykers, and Machiavellian cults.

What can i say? Cataclysmic daemonic incursions, incredibly potent unsanctioned psykers and Machiavellian cults make for fun times in the Inquisition... I suppose they were around when things started happening so they get to deal with it.

You could do what I did and make a Pre-Heresy 1k Sons list using GK codex.

purplefood wrote:What can i say? Cataclysmic daemonic incursions, incredibly potent unsanctioned psykers and Machiavellian cults make for fun times in the Inquisition... I suppose they were around when things started happening so they get to deal with it.

That does sound like an awesome party...

And it seems the Xenos inquisitors are far more likely to try to resolve the situation as quietly as possible, trying to minimize collateral damage and civilian casualties. Hereticus would likely start a crusade where they burn everyone and everything, while Malleus would just Exterminatus the gak from orbit and be home in time for tea.

To the OP, the fluff is solid enough. His actions, though deemed radical, have nothing to do with daemons, and anyway the new Grey Knights are as radical as it gets. It's ironic Fireknife mentions using the GK codex to field Thousand Sons, since it seems despite the Emperor's disagreement/disapproval, Magnus was proven right at the end: Librarius Departments, Primaris Psykers, utilizing the knowledge of alien races and the powers of Chaos to mankind's benefit... all things he argued for.

I've got a load of thousand sons stuff planned and a bit of gk. I guess I'll go with gk's lost in the warp centuries ago and have returned now.

Well any Grey Knights travelling with Kryptman would have dragged his body back to Titan at the first mention of him being excommunicated. Grey Knights don't switch loyalty like that.

Even if he had Death Watch with him, the prospect of never returning to one's chapter would far outweigh any reason Kryptman could come up for them to not put a bolt round through his head.

Omegus wrote:

purplefood wrote:
The Ordo Xenos deals with aliens...
Aliens aren't quite as corrupting or evil as Daemons or Witches so the Inquisitors dealing with them can have a bit more... flexibility in their morality.

Yet in their respective books they hardly ever deal with aliens, but rather cataclysmic daemonic incursions, incredibly potent unsanctioned psykers, and Machiavellian cults.

They started out investigating aliens.