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I guess this topic can be used to ask if you like the old or new models better for some armies? I haven't worked with the new GK's yet, so is there anything that sucks about the models?

For most other armies I preferred non-1st edition original metal designs, except orks which annoyed me because they no longer matched at all (I was actually annoyed with the newer designs, until I got used to it playing Dawn of War). For Chaos Marines and Blood Angels (and I guess GK's) I didn't care if things mixed. For Chaos, Death Guard especially, I actually preferred to mix them all because it added variety.

Oh, and Blood Angels has all 2nd edition tanks, except speeders (fail, not a tank) and land raiders. I refuse to mix rhino based tank designs outside of my Chaos army. When I saw the new codex and decided 2 Baal predators was nice, I considered upgrading. This probably won't make sense, because the amount i'd get for an old tank was equal or higher to the cost of a new one (prices on modern vehicles may have gone up since), but the thought of replacing 8 tanks seemed too expensive. Instead I found more older tanks, something that I saw is becoming more improbable by the day, at least if you don't want used (even then, for some you have no choice). Somehow I was able to easily find 4 of the same base design. Kind've the same predicament that I've had with almost every other army since 2nd edition ended, just with those it's usually the entire range, not just vehicles. Hence why i'm making an offer in the swap section to let someone have metal GK's for new.

Another cool story bro? I know, that's how I roll.

There's a Dakka swap shop that's where you should really do this sorta thing. Go back to the forum index and you can post about it there.

Brother SRM wrote:There's a Dakka swap shop that's where you should really do this sorta thing. Go back to the forum index and you can post about it there.

Thanks, I changed my OP and did the other in the swap board.

So i've been up for a few hours, got sleep last night, and checked each board title to see where to post my original topic. I guess just being on the internet brings out the special in all of us.

I prefer older models that give a unique feel to my army. Having that one model in each squad that makes an opponent go 'what's that?' or 'where did you get him?' makes me happy.

I like to kind of mix old and new with some things. Like my ork bikers I like having both old and new models. But hard to do it with the trucks because of the size differences. So it really all depends on the models.

If i can't find what i'm looking for in GWs range i'll go elsewhere...
Some older stuff looks really cool though (Older Necrons rock IMO)

I prefer older one piece metal. They never fall apart and there's never a weird place I can't reach with a brush.

Iprefer all GW older models compared to the utter cack we have thrown at us today for insulting prices and insulting quality.

but then using other companies models is cheaper, and other companies rules...so basically just playing GOOD systems

I also do collections sometimes. Before eldar got redone in 3rd, I had every pose of farseer and warlock. I say this like "the Fly" wasn't the only farseer model, oops, Eldrad... I got some after 3rd, and I think all I needed was the seer council box and I'd have the complete set again.

I had every pose of 40k inquisitor up to and including DH. I quit that when I saw witch hunters and forge world had more. WH, do not want... and why are you in my GK codex? I actually still have the inquistors, though some are leaving very soon.

I had all adeptus mechanicus too, but sold those once I found out I'd never get those special ones you needed skull tokens for. I think they had an ogryn and ratling.

I think I have every assassin pose, if there's 9. All I don't have is the 2nd culexus and the aiming vindicare. I plan to get 3 of each to make use of that apocalypse assassin thing. Sad I didn't get all poses with 2 of each. Still don't know what to use the original assassin for.

Jimsolo wrote:I prefer older models that give a unique feel to my army. Having that one model in each squad that makes an opponent go 'what's that?' or 'where did you get him?' makes me happy.

I feel you on the first part. Somewhere in my Blood Angel honor guard squads I have an mk 3 power armor, I have the company champion in mk 4 or 5 (maximus).

I really wish I can find an old hive tyrant to use as one of those lone special warriors, if I ever end up playing them. Still kinda wish the carnifex now looked a bit more like the old one. So some old things can be really cool, but some, like my original great unclean one, suck for what they're supposed to be (maybe i'll make him a character or something).

Commisar Wolfie wrote:I like to kind of mix old and new with some things. Like my ork bikers I like having both old and new models. But hard to do it with the trucks because of the size differences. So it really all depends on the models.

You are stronger than I, especially if you mean the originals. I just assume you mean 2nd edition and later. The 1st edition orks are literally half the size of a normal model now. I tried to expand my 2e orks once the models started disappearing, which was as soon as they were made apparently, but couldn't get enough. I hated mixing orks more than I hated any other 40k army to date, 2nd being eldar. Even during 2nd I didn't like mixing gorkamorka models with my 40k, so i'm probably a minority. Now I think my orks have, at most, 3 models from 2nd, the rest are all newer.

I didn't even like the personality of the orks either. They lost all their humor once 3rd hit. I don't remember when their WS/BS became 4/2, but I know my first thought was, "oh another tyranid army". The humor started to come back. I think Dawn of War (the rts) had alot to do with me coming around to like them again (same with newer design tyranids), and generally helping the 40k setting get on it's way to legendary status.

purplefood wrote:If i can't find what i'm looking for in GWs range i'll go elsewhere...
Some older stuff looks really cool though (Older Necrons rock IMO)

I really liked the simplicity, quality, and value of the models from Void 1.1. Once they changed names and designs I no longer care (though I considered an IG army using Urban Mammoth's Triad range. It was limited, but at least i'd have something to use for Ogryns (lolz).

I got a full necron army, modernized, but most lords, and all the scarabs (3 per base, unglued, so I can keep track of wounds), immortals, warriors, and small destroyers are 2nd edition models (immortals may have been early 3rd). It's so nice to be able to carry them in handfulls and not break anything, plus those rods would've annoyed me. They look fine together too because lords are ok to be different, and the other unit types don't mix designs. I'm actually selling it soon if you care. Check ebay in the next month, probably a 30 day auction.

When it comes to mixing companies, I always had this fear I'd go to an official GW game and have 1 character not their range, then get kicked out. Maybe that went away once I didn't care what they think (it's mutual).

Now picture this, take basically the chaos renegades from forge world and use them as an IG army. Now look at the ferals from Pig Iron Productions to use as stealthy veterans, and tell me that's not awesome. I also am using that site's wardroids as ogryns (aka rusty as crap security robots left over once the last of the adeptus arbites were gone). I also got techpriests and servitors from the iron brotherhood range of Micro Art Studios. Overall the army is going to be awesome, once I finish it. Right now I have about 150 cadian legs, and am hoping that forge world doesn't cancel their renegades. I live in fear.

Zip Napalm wrote:I prefer older one piece metal. They never fall apart and there's never a weird place I can't reach with a brush.

No repair work either! However I can't stand the things that are all in the exact same pose. Though I even have a problem with current SM and CSM all coming with basically the same arm pose. I do have hard times painting certain angles no matter what type of model it is. I swear i've seen some single piece models that I have no clue how they molded with only 2 halves. I guess it was possible because they had rubber molds, and maybe that's why they kept getting destroyed.

Stella Cadente wrote:Iprefer all GW older models compared to the utter cack we have thrown at us today for insulting prices and insulting quality.

but then using other companies models is cheaper, and other companies rules...so basically just playing GOOD systems

I understand. The only thing I can't agree with is all older models being superior, because that includes the Rogue Trader days. Get this though, I know someone who heard about a GW game event reliving something to do with Rogue Trader. They wanted certain SM chapters involved, and he had at least a full company of them painted (I think it was a full chapter, this guy was crazy). They told him to bring the army. So when he finally got there one of the GW people came by and was like "uh... I thought you meant it was made from new models, we don't want to display anything that we can't currently sell." Complete fail.

the "old" bikes are the models prior to the new ones. those are the ones i like having mixed in.

Plastic, single pose right? I kept 1 to make a Wazdakka, which will never happen.

I actually don't even know what ork vehicles look like anymore. When I saw the wartrukk I thought it was a battlewagon. I have an ork army with everything I could ever field, and never got anything new but 10 deffkoptas (thanks AoBR!). All it has for vehicles 4 old buggies, an armorcast battlewagon, 2 custom old wartrukks (I had a 2 story wartrukk, but broke it), 2 old scorhers, and 3 old wartraks. Plus my looted battletank (my only battlewagon) and looted rhino... After writing it, I'm thinking it didn't need any more vehicles if it wasn't lacking transports.

Actually, now I remember 2nd edition had metal warbikes! They had those nobz bikes too, the peon that had to drive the boss around. That was awesome. I could never get one so I used my only metal warbike, took the guns off, and put one of those spanna boyz on back. The guy on back was painted so good that everyone thought they really smelled oil. Dems wuz sum gud dayz.

I would make a army of Brettonians with the old Crusader-esqe pewters in a heartbeat.

Shadowbrand wrote:I would make a army of Brettonians with the old Crusader-esqe pewters in a heartbeat.

I saw those in an old citadel catalog, they almost had as many poses as old harlequins and snotlings.

I never liked empire because it wasn't generic enough. If I ever wanted to play WHFB humans (not that they made the army book for the one I really want), I would do Brettonia. Problem is I hate knights.

I'd do them all as red and gold middle-ages era Englishmen.

Complete with free handed lions on their shields and lots of bowmen.

I still have a 3000 point space marine army consisting of 80% 1st ed models, the other 20% is second ed.
For vehicles I have a 1st ed land raider, rhino, predator, dreadnought and 2 land speeders, there is also a second ed whirlwind.
There are about 4 tactiacal squads and a devastator squad of RTB01 marines, techmarine with a screwdriver, captain and command squad (with the champion in mk1 power armour), 2 terminator squads (one 1st ed one 2nd).

I must say they are a lot of fun to use as a lot of the newer players don't even know what half the vehicles are

My armies have figures from ranging from the original box sets to the most modern versions.

mix and match is my moto

I love the old models dearly (except the old Tyranids), however most of my armies that I have recently started playing are made up of new models because they are easier for me to get a hold of nowadays.

I don't like using other ranges because I find they looks out of place next to GW models, however I have been considering using some Hasslefree girls for a Necromunda gang.

I already have a lot of older models in my collection (in part because I've been playing for too long, and also because I've made some good eBay lot purchases), I usually find myself buying/using older figures just to keep consistency within my units. With plastic kits, sometimes I'll buy bits from a new kit, and swap them in with older models to bridge the gap a bit, but I have yet to actually dump an entire completed regiment of old models just because a new sculpt for them has been released.

Then again, for the Jagdmacht I've used few actual GW figures, so the point doesn't really carry over to that army.

I like the newer models, more variety in them. I like that old metal models stayed in place better though, these likttle detaield plastic ones look great, but a slight gust or brush will knock them over unless you glue a washer or penny to the base, and even then metal models still feel more substantial.

Shadowbrand wrote:I'd do them all as red and gold middle-ages era Englishmen.

Complete with free handed lions on their shields and lots of bowmen.

Freehand iconography, the mark of the brave and dedicated. *salute*

Turkeysaurus_Rex wrote:...1st ed land raider, rhino, predator, dreadnought and 2 land speeders...techmarine with a screwdriver...2 terminator squads (one 1st ed one 2nd).

1st edition land raider, veterans at the time I was just started 2nd edition were already talking in awe of those land raiders because no one could find one. They also said they could drive upside down, not sure if that was true, but I noticed it was definitely not possible for the newer design when i first saw it. Remember when the new raider first came out, and GW ran out of plastic because so many people wanted it? That shows how hard it was to find a raider beforehand.

I remember the screwdriver techmarine. I think I got rid of those era techs when I ended up with too many. May have sent them to legion of the damned (back in 2nd they had a real codex, from white dwarf). I know I gave the LoTD a tech on a bike, he was painted in those colors so it fit good. Speaking of that, I can't stand when they release new models for an army that's supposed to look old. Like LoTD and Chaos Marines, why the hell are they using mk7 power armor and modern vehicle designs when they are supposed to be from older times?

The old chaplains were pretty cool, they had the claws on the shoulderpads right? Not sure why that changed. I know they fit good in modern chaos armies, especially Word Bearers.

Besides the size, and more pointed shoulder pads, 1st and 2nd edition terminators are almost the same. Not much pose variety though, and lightning claws were kind've annoying because it was a weird pose (for 2nd). Love the old terminator characters. It's a mixed blessing that new term characters are so epic, makes the classics seem almost lame.

Lizar7 wrote:I love the old models dearly (except the old Tyranids), however most of my armies that I have recently started playing are made up of new models because they are easier for me to get a hold of nowadays.

I don't like using other ranges because I find they looks out of place next to GW models, however I have been considering using some Hasslefree girls for a Necromunda gang.

Zoats were actually interesting. It showed that tyranids enslaved races, like zoats and genestealers, which were native to their areas before tyranids used them. The zoat trick on the imperium was pretty cool. Imperial tendency to shoot first if it's not human, and make sure nothing survives, is really the only thing that works for the past and future.

I liked the 2nd edition hormagaunts, but we never had more than 7. After new plastics came out I went crazy and bought something like 50 metal ones online, would've been epic if we didn't stop playing at that time. Didn't like new plastics but I got used to the hormagaunts because at least their physique matched their statline. All forms of hormagaunt easily broke off their base, so kinda glad I didn't get far into tyranids, so annoying. Metal gargoyles were annoying too, and funny that they had vagina cannons. Still don't like new termagaunts, too big, and heavy weapons are heresy. We had like 80 2nd edition plastics (a few others), the ones with the Beavis faces.

Few know this, but tyranids were based off of insects. The inspiration for them was actually dinosaurs. This is why the carnifex is named what it is. You can see the lizardness especially in the old metal termagaunts. Maybe they still consider them lizards, they do have tails and all.

Stupid that the specialist games are basically ignored, it's like it requires you to look other places. I don't understand that. Also stupid they are not supported and more overpriced than other things. I would've loved BFG, until I found some single ships went up to $35, FU!!!

SkaerKrow wrote:I already have a lot of older models in my collection (in part because I've been playing for too long, and also because I've made some good eBay lot purchases), I usually find myself buying/using older figures just to keep consistency within my units. With plastic kits, sometimes I'll buy bits from a new kit, and swap them in with older models to bridge the gap a bit, but I have yet to actually dump an entire completed regiment of old models just because a new sculpt for them has been released.

Then again, for the Jagdmacht I've used few actual GW figures, so the point doesn't really carry over to that army.

Oh ebay cheap deals. Thus enters my goff army with 100 boyz and 200 gretchin. I actually got someone to paint all the gretchin for me, I sure as hell wasn't. Still use about 90 of them, unless I decide to replace with those new ones. Don't like the noses though... or spending money. Oh yeah, i'm selling my orks, ignore me, I suck di...

That is also where I got over 100 DE warriors for less than $80. When things are in the boxed sets they usually end up super cheap, same for old models which get redone. I love the new DE (don't like either of the wyches much), and now it works perfect because I can use a few new warriors as my highborn. They look epic enough, but wouldn't like an entire army of them.

Since 2nd edition (except recent times) i've played every army except Tau (DE wasn't until 3rd). When you have that much you get affected alot more by game and model changes. If that's not enough to make you quit, the cost of constantly updating the army will. For the past 5 years I couldn't even try to keep up anymore. Now i'm going to go down to 4 armies (as listed in my sig), maybe less if they make another big change or I end up not playing more than once a year.

Some of the newer models look good enough that the old ones don't even have a resell value anymore. It's really counterintuitive.

G00fySmiley wrote:I like the newer models, more variety in them. I like that old metal models stayed in place better though, these likttle detaield plastic ones look great, but a slight gust or brush will knock them over unless you glue a washer or penny to the base, and even then metal models still feel more substantial.

The player who brings a fan has his models reach assault faster? See above for me talking about hormagaunts, but the new ones don't even stand on their own, you have to weigh some. Conveniently a nickle fits perfect in a round base.