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So now that my math is actually correct, and that the alllure of using Grimgor has worn off, it's time for a new list.

Here we go.

Lords
Orc Warboss, Armor of Destiny, Shield, Sword of Strife, Dragonbane Gem; 213
Night Goblin Great Shaman, Level 4, Dispel Scroll (that's what it's called, right?); 200
Orc Great Shaman, Level 4, Talisman of Preservation; 245

Heroes
Orc Big Boss, BSB, Shield; 82
Night Goblin Big Boss, Shield, Light Armor; 34
Night Goblin Big Boss, Shield, Light Armor; 34

Core
35 Orc Boyz, FC, Shields; 245
39 Night Goblins, FC, Nets, 3x Fanatics; 237
38 Night Goblins, FC, Nets, 3x Fanatics; 234
5 Spiders, Musician, Bows; 80
5 Spiders, Musician, Bows; 80
20 Night Goblins, Bows, Musician; 70

Special
29 Black Orcs, FC, Shields, Banner of Eternal Flame; 422
2x Spear Chuckas; 70

Rare
Rock Lobber 85
Giant 205
Arachnarok Spider, Flinger 320

giants are horrible, especially single ones. i would replace him with 3 manglers. get some great weapons on those gobbo heros

I find a giant on a flank with a big spider on the other has its uses. Also I would drop the flinger as its horrid and you want your spider to be in CC. I would try and squeeze in a goblin lord with a GW and Wizarding hat if you can as he is awesome 7/8 times

i can guarantee that 3 mangler squigs are going to cause more pain then a giant. giants die to everything, at least a mangler makes shooting at it a -1.

The giant is certainly a waste of points. The doom diver is the best rare buy. It is exceptionally accurate and allows you to deal with a lot of pesky support models that might be a pain (hapries, shades, flamers, fiends, weapon teams). If this is 3K and not 2.9K, you should be taking 4 doom divers, otherwise 2. Then you can add rock lobbers to taste on top.

I agree the flinger is not the best buy on the spider. He's most likely running or in combat, and even hitting with the flinger isn't THAT helpful, as you're not wiping a full unit in 1 turn

I don't believe the goblin bosses have any use other than to give up free points. If you're using them to jump out of a unit and be a redirector, then MAYBE, but they still just give up points. Your warboss could use stubborn crown. It gives you a lot of great flexibility.

I also don't thin you need a goblin level 4 in addition to the orc. The orc should be 6 dicing foot. I'd drop him to a lvl 2 night goblin. You still get the channel staff and some of the useful spells, and you can use the extra points to fund doom divers.


I disagree on the goblin lord with a wizard hat. Too random, and no reason to force stupidity into the list.