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Does a unit with Furious Charge recieve a +1 initiative on a sweeping advance roll?

Example; A unit of Khorne Berzerkers charge a unit of Necrons, win the fight and the necrons fail their leadership roll, does the +1 Initiative from Furious Charge affect the sweeping advance roll?

Have a read of P.40 in the BRB

Sweeping advances section, 2nd Paragraph Explicitly answers your question.

Not that you'd need the help vs Necrons, most times..

Ascalam wrote:Not that you'd need the help vs Necrons, most times..

Well maybe he sent a very small number because he knew that. 5 on 50 makes the chances fun again.

One Beserker can take a 10 man necron warrior squad, and they can't go over 20 without WBB add-ins.

Warriors suck

Ascalam wrote:One Beserker can take a 10 man necron warrior squad,

That's pretty unlikely.

Excuse me, but what the fudge is a berserker?

They are talking about Khorne Berzerkers It belongs to the Chaos Space Marine Codex.

Because no one seems inclined to give a straight up answer...

No, they do not. No modifiers may be added to the number rolled when rolling for a sweeping advance.

DeathReaper wrote:They are talking about Khorne Berzerkers It belongs to the Chaos Space Marine Codex.

Yes... They are... *rolls eyes* But it's BERZERKER!! ... not Berserker. You're not lobotomized enough. And thanks for the straight answer, Ma55ter_fett.

Riffzor wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:They are talking about Khorne Berzerkers It belongs to the Chaos Space Marine Codex.

Yes... They are... *rolls eyes* But it's BERZERKER!! ... not Berserker. You're not lobotomized enough. And thanks for the straight answer, Ma55ter_fett.

You really had to post when you knew what they were talking about?

Ma55ter_fett wrote:Because no one seems inclined to give a straight up answer...

No, they do not. No modifiers may be added to the number rolled when rolling for a sweeping advance.

I do believe I gave a straight answer, it is explicitly spelled out on the page and paragraph I referenced.

This forum is not a replacement for the rulebook, and we are discouraged from giving out rules ad nauseam.

DeathReaper wrote:

Riffzor wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:They are talking about Khorne Berzerkers It belongs to the Chaos Space Marine Codex.

Yes... They are... *rolls eyes* But it's BERZERKER!! ... not Berserker. You're not lobotomized enough. And thanks for the straight answer, Ma55ter_fett.

You really had to post when you knew what they were talking about?

Ma55ter_fett wrote:Because no one seems inclined to give a straight up answer...

No, they do not. No modifiers may be added to the number rolled when rolling for a sweeping advance.

I do believe I gave a straight answer, it is explicitly spelled out on the page and paragraph I referenced.

This forum is not a replacement for the rulebook, and we are discouraged from giving out rules ad nauseam.

Of course I did, I'm a grammar nazi, and you're not really going to get anywhere by being this gruff. It's not like giving a straight answer to someone and showing a bit of compassion leads to torture, execution and having your tombstone defiled by an ogre. If I'd had the BRB with me at the time I wouldn't have had to ask here, but I don't carry it with me at all times, my pockets are way too small for that.

#1 I was not being gruff, I was telling you where you could Explicitly find this rules information, as the forum is not a replacement for the rule book.

However if you are unclear on a specific situation and the rules are not very clear, we are happy to help with clearing up any unclear areas.

The question you posed is explicitly covered in the rules and I gave you all the information you needed to find the answer to your question.

#2 You seemed to have missed the point I was making.

The forum rules and code of conduct tell all. (Specifically rule #2)

http://www.dakkadakka.com/core/forum_rules.jsp

Any specific reason as to why you keep writing 'explicitly' with a capital E? Just finding this quite curious.

And well, you're not allowed to write what a rule is or does, but when asked, as in this example, 'does this rule affect this event', a simple yes or no question, I don't see why one couldn't just simply state, yes or no.

Because you shouldn't need us to tell you yes or no if you own a rulebook, and I can't imagine a situation in which you need a ruling immediately and don't have a rulebook handy.

Riffzor wrote:Of course I did, I'm a grammar nazi, and you're not really going to get anywhere by being this gruff. It's not like giving a straight answer to someone and showing a bit of compassion leads to torture, execution and having your tombstone defiled by an ogre. If I'd had the BRB with me at the time I wouldn't have had to ask here, but I don't carry it with me at all times, my pockets are way too small for that.

If you were a real grammar Nazi, then you'd know that it should have a capital "N"

Plus, "Berserker" isn't entirely incorrect. The word "berserk" can be spelt with an "s" or a "z"; GW just decided to go with the "z" spelling, for whatever reason.

Cheexsta wrote:

Riffzor wrote:Of course I did, I'm a grammar nazi, and you're not really going to get anywhere by being this gruff. It's not like giving a straight answer to someone and showing a bit of compassion leads to torture, execution and having your tombstone defiled by an ogre. If I'd had the BRB with me at the time I wouldn't have had to ask here, but I don't carry it with me at all times, my pockets are way too small for that.

If you were a real grammar Nazi, then you'd know that it should have a capital "N"

Plus, "Berserker" isn't entirely incorrect. The word "berserk" can be spelt with an "s" or a "z"; GW just decided to go with the "z" spelling, for whatever reason.

I'm no serious grammar Nazi, t'was a joke. =p And Khorne Berzerkers are spelled with a z as that's what GW chose, and it's their creation. You wouldn't write Nasgûl or Zpace Marines... Or would you? *ponders*

@MasterSlowPoke: Because you can't imagine a situation they don't excist? Well, woah... What did happen then, right then? Could it be so that, even though it may appear unimaginable to you, that some people choose not to attatch the BRB to their person? And that one may need to know something at a time when they aren't at their homes, where, as far as I know, most people keep their BRBs? Could it perhaps be so, that there was a game in progress and that the BRB was forgotten at another person's property, or that the BRB had been stolen by a little brother who had gone to see his father and brough the book with him? You don't have enough imagination to figure out a single situation? I'm quite stunned to hear that there would be wargammers with so little imagination that they can't even figure out an every-day situation with a specific scene, what are your Warhammer battles like? 'These guys wants to hit those guys, and then those guys hits back.'?

Your post contributed nothing to the topic, it merely upsets the person who asked a very simple yes or no question. If you can't answer the question, you don't really need to post at all. Now, the question has been answered and this topic has no need to be kept going, I'm not interested in hearing any more gruff replies about some rules which aren't in any way linked to the topic or about whiny people who lack the imagination of a 4-year old.

Come on now: keep Rule Number One in mind. There's no need to bend over backwards to be either terse or snide and personal attacks are completely inappropriate with regard to the topic at hand (toy soldiers).

Riffzor wrote:
Your post contributed nothing to the topic, it merely upsets the person who asked a very simple yes or no question. If you can't answer the question, you don't really need to post at all.

This rules forum is not a replacement for the rule book. It is here so that unclear rules can be discussed and to find the proper way to play said unclear rules. It is against the forum rules to just copy and paste rules for no reason.

The Simple Yes/No question is Explicitly answered in the rule book, and since this forum is not a replacement for said rule book, I gave the page reference to where you could find the exact rule in question. (Explicitly is capitalized for emphasis)

P.S. As an avid player I can not imagine a situation where one of the people involved in the game do not have a rule book handy, when we game there are usually three or four copies on hand, as everyone brings their own rule book, so if one person happens to forget theirs we still have two or three copies to look at.

Personally, I found DR posting the page reference far more helpful than just answering the question.

Occasionally people will post something like "I'm at work arguing with a buddy and we don't have a rule book" in which case someone has always provided the quick answer.

But in general I'd much rather see a pointer to where to find the answer when the question is just a straight up rules question than have to just trust the answer some semi-random person on the internet gave.

I missed alot in 2 days.

Ma55ter_fett wrote:Because no one seems inclined to give a straight up answer...

No, they do not. No modifiers may be added to the number rolled when rolling for a sweeping advance.

Oops, I just assumed the first reponse answered it. It's also under the furious charge rule I believe.

Riffzor wrote:
Yes... They are... *rolls eyes* But it's BERZERKER!! ... not Berserker. You're not lobotomized enough. And thanks for the straight answer, Ma55ter_fett.

I saw this and was like, seriously? More on that later...

DeathReaper wrote:

Riffzor wrote:
Yes... They are... *rolls eyes* But it's BERZERKER!! ... not Berserker. You're not lobotomized enough. And thanks for the straight answer, Ma55ter_fett.

You really had to post when you knew what they were talking about?

Welcome to the internet.

DeathReaper wrote:This forum is not a replacement for the rulebook, and we are discouraged from giving out rules ad nauseam.

Orly? I've only been here a week so don't know if that's the case. I'd actually prefer exact wording.

Riffzor wrote:If I'd had the BRB with me at the time I wouldn't have had to ask here, but I don't carry it with me at all times, my pockets are way too small for that.

May I interest you in a portable, pocket sized, rules only, Assault on Black Reach basic rulebook? I already use 1, and I think i'm about to buy 3 more boxed sets, and someone only needs the terminators from it.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:Because you shouldn't need us to tell you yes or no if you own a rulebook, and I can't imagine a situation in which you need a ruling immediately and don't have a rulebook handy.

Imagine if someone was in the middle of a game and stopped it to actually wait for a forum response? That would be so... ugh!

Cheexsta wrote:Plus, "Berserker" isn't entirely incorrect. The word "berserk" can be spelt with an "s" or a "z"; GW just decided to go with the "z" spelling, for whatever reason.

I recently made an entire codex (basically rules only), and copied a few quotes to make it less bland. Then ran a spell check, omg GW. I just pretended it was because their British.

Riffzor wrote:...Your post contributed nothing to the topic, it merely upsets the person who asked a very simple yes or no question... I'm not interested in hearing any more gruff replies about some rules which aren't in any way linked to the topic or about whiny people who lack the imagination of a 4-year old....

I see what you did there. Well done troll brother. Even better because it was you who started the topic, and got an answer immediately. +1 internets, unless you just went into troll's remorse.

kmdl1066 wrote:Occasionally people will post something like "I'm at work arguing with a buddy and we don't have a rule book" in which case someone has always provided the quick answer.

Wow, they would have to have another 40k player within a reasonable distance, and probably also got a place in which they can actually play. I have yet to see a job in which you can do anything other than work. I bet these people even take it all for granted.

Erik - actually its in the rules of the site and the tenets of the forum. You know, those things youre supposed to read...

So multiple sources told me. It's hard for me to understand how there can be rules discussion but not cross that line.

I read the tenets and rules, and just did it again, still didn't see it but w/e.

Essentially when a question is "what does rule X do?" then you provide a page number - there is no issue with interpretation of the rule, just not knowing it / knowing where to find it.

When its "i dont understand why X" then providing the rule is fine - you're asking about a rule you already can find and read, but dont understand its application to situation Y

erikwfg wrote:So multiple sources told me. It's hard for me to understand how there can be rules discussion but not cross that line.

I read the tenets and rules, and just did it again, still didn't see it but w/e.

See this recently locked post for an example of an instance where we can't simply post rules: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/385818.page