Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Fluff wise they are fantastic but after crunching the numbers I'm not really seeing the value in them. Battlewagons with Nobz/boyz and Rollas always seem to trump these models. Is there something I am missing?

OIF Knight wrote:Fluff wise they are fantastic but after crunching the numbers I'm not really seeing the value in them. Battlewagons with Nobz/boyz and Rollas always seem to trump these models. Is there something I am missing?

No, nothing you are missing, they are horrible and if you run them only do so because you got stuck with them after the current book dropped (they used to be good). Nothing redeeming about an over priced AV11 model that has a random I lose button on it.

I suppose it has a big gun. if your any kind of an ork player that should be enough for you

I used the looted wagon with a boom gun the other day an it worked out quite well.

Games against players that cannot kill an AV11threat do not count.

There is no advice I can give you to make them viable.

unfortunately.

This may sound stupid but i nearly always run 2 in my list. they always provde great support 4 my boyz and 4 me they always get there points back. dont use them in a speedy list only a green tide list.

I used a looted demolisher back in the days of the old book with my Choppaz of doom green tide list and it worked spectacularly. Unfortunately for us mekboyz, our prized possessions were substantially nerfed with the new(ish) books release. I have since gone the way of the battlewagon + deffrolla and am extremely pleased with the results I've achieved with it. Just yesterday I nearly tabled an imperial guard player running all mech with valkyries as support thanks in no small part to those wonderful d6 strength 10 hits against every tank I ran into (and the KFF of course shileding the battlewagons spectacularly). With those kind of results, I highly doubt that I will be wasting a heavy support spot on looted wagons again anytime soon.

They're not great - not the toughness of a battlewagon, or the fast ramshackleness of a trukk. Few players use them in the current codex (in the previous codex, you could get 3 cheap wagons which only took up one HS slot, which could make them worthwhile). I've even seen people convert their old looted wagons into trukks or battlewagons (by adding/removing bits) just to get some play value out of them.

Boomgun wagons are one of the hidden gems in the current codex. I mainly play a trukk-based list with 3-4 trukks, 1-2 battle wagons, rokkit buggies and 1-2 boomwagons. With all of the transports and other vehicles to choose from, my opponents tend to dismiss and ignore the lowly boomwagon. That is, until it starts blowing away chunks of their army. In fact, one of the history buffs at my lgs has taken to referring to one of my boomwagons as "orkwin Rommel" as he's basically terrorized the place.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
For that matter, there are a ton of entries in the ork codex that get a bad rap here. A lot of these can be put to deadly use with the right list, they just don't fit into the battlewagon spam/ kan wall that is all you ever see discussed.

I don't have extensive Looted Wagon experience, but I tried them for the first time against Nids a couple weeks ago.

I used two of them in a Dakka heavy list. My third Heavy Support choice was a unit of Big Guns.

The Looted Wagons performed superbly. I was very pleased. I kept my KFF Mek back to cover them and the Big Gunz, and he did a great job with that. I always kept more dangerous things in my enemy's face instead of the Looted Wagons, who didn't suffer a lot of fire.

But like I said I was playing against Nids. If my friend broke out his Space Wolves, I'm not sure how they'd do.

Boomwagons are great for armies which don't rely on Kanz or Battlewagons to win, like Kult of Speed, Green Tide or Gorka-Morka style lists. However, like big gunz, they suffer from the fact that lists without battlewagons or kanz are usually not as competitive as those two.

Stay away from looted transports.

about the only thing it has going for it is a AP3 pie plate.

if you have alot of other vehicles in your list(Battlewagons and Trukks as DTs) then I suppose it could work. the only way they could work is if you were able to make other things a greater threat. Don't Press Dat is a huge pain when it happens, but it should only happen once per game.

Nope, I don't use them. This is what I use

Ghazzy and a big mek with KFF for HQ

boyz in trukks lots of them at least 5 units of 11 with a nob and boss pole

boyz(or nobz) on bikes

deffcopters

lootas

burnas

waaaag up front, dakka dakk and assault.

The only thing I sometimes get screwed on it heavy weapons against mechanized armies. I always have guys with power claws so I can assault vehicles pretty well, but since Orks only hit on 5s, I find it hard to justify putting a lot of firepower in their hands, when assaulting is clearly their best attribute.

I need to add a wall of killa cans, since a squad of them can offer a cover save to squads behind it. Other than that, more boyz in trukks, and maybe a shock attack, but only because they are funny.

I like to take them if I'm trying to make a shooty army with alot of things that negate MEQ saves. AP3 Large Blasts, coupled with Shock Attack Guns, and lots of lootas, and you have a scary gun line. At 1500 points, you've also got 80 - 90 shootas boyz on the field, who are slowly advancing and firing everything they have down the field until you eventually Waaagh! and finish off whats left.

looted wagons with boomgunz are fun to model. I'm still play8ing with my trygon model I'd turning him into a looted wagon with boomgun coming out of its chest and of coarse with tank treds attached and ork torsos sticking out oerating levers... the boomgun is almsot the only reason to take it though... you can also take it is you want all trukk list and some units liek burnas can't take a trukk so throw em in looted wagons (though it slows up the crowd or they ahve to stugle to make it with av11 as a second wave

Battling against them with CSM - of all the Orky armour I usually encounter they do usually bite the dust first.

monkeyh wrote:Battling against them with CSM - of all the Orky armour I usually encounter they do usually bite the dust first.

And with good reason. Ap3 pie would put the hurt on your CSMs.

Yes, because crunching numbers is totally what the Orks are thinking when they loot the enemies equipment. [/sarcasm]

Just play! If some randomness makes you feel uncomfortable, play another army. That's what makes the Ork codex fun to play!

With the last ork codex, the looted vehicle was a staple of any ork army. One clan even had access to three looted vehicles on the table at once -- though they had to be of different types.
Back then, I ran with a looted basalisk, a looted russ, and a looted griffin. This was common practice, and one of the only ways to play the boys then.

Lately, when GW has given a codex a face-lift, they have removed a lot of use of old models in favor of new ones. This is done to increase sales, as if people need to buy new models to stay competitive, it will ensure that sales continue. It also lowers the resale of armies on ebay, as an army that was competitive 7 years ago is marginal today.

In order to ensure that players don't feel completely shafted, GW decided to leave many of those old units in the codex's, just have them be less than other units in effectiveness. This would allow for someone who played 7 years ago to play again today, and realize that in order to stay competitive, they would need to buy half a new army.

Its a brilliant, if slightly cruel, marketing strategy.

Maybe if you could field them in skwadrons they'd be good...


but in the meantime, they define "terribad"

I used 1 once with some kans and a BW. The looted wagon payed for his price on turn 2.

If you are not unlucky and end up rolling a 1, you can shoot an AP3 S8 shot. vs MEQ, this is awesome. I killed 7 ASM in one shot just thanks to that looted wagon, then procceded to stun my opponent vindicator for the rest of the game with it. Also, it gives you the biggest and stongest pie plate in the codex I think (except SAG I think). While backing a horde army, they can be pretty usefull and they only cost 105 points, try to find another army with a 36'' S8 Ap3 pie plate at 105 points!

Of course, the DOn't press dat rule can end up being a pain, that is why i always have some grots, I put them in front of my wagon preventing them to move a 12'' if I roll the one. AV11 isnt that good, true, but If my opponent fires his MS at them for one turn, that is less small blast on my boyz.

Overall, they always killed at least their amount in points when I used them. YMMV

Hmmm... since it has such awesome conversion opportunities I may just have to build one now. I forgot they were so cheap!

I'll post how it goes.