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I read where someone was wondering by Bjorn the Fellhand wasn't in the Contemptor Dreadnought chassis. I immediately thought,"Because GW didn't design it until way after they introduced Bjorn back in '92."

I see portraits of Pre-Heresy battles all using the brand new Rhino Mk II and the MkIV Land Raider when they should have the Rhino MkI and Land Raider MkI pictured. That would be like taking a movie like Bullit and using CGI to erase his BOSS Mustang with a new 2010 Mustang GT, or replacing the Union army's rifles with M-16's.

I know GW is trying to forget those old models (unless you're playing Apocalypse) so they can sell new "Pre-Heresy" stuff that looks cooler and more modern than the regular stuff.

Redacted.

Bjorn became a Dreadnought near to or after the Heresy, so it can be assumed that the pattern of Dreadnought that he's in was built during that period-and its of a lower grade than the Contemptor due to limited/lost technology and resources. Anyhow, yeah, but they do tie in older models to the fluff a lot of the time-they're just older variants than the current ones, or the style of clothing/armour has developed over the millenia or just representing the sheer diversity of the Imperium.

Sorry, I keep forgetting the Mk 2 Rhino and Mk 4 Land Raider are no longer "new", but they're new to me.

It seems that if anything Game's Workshop writers are just digging themselves deeper and deeper into a "yeah...we've pretty much done nothing since the Emperor kicked the bucked" hole-unlike they're predessors who actually advanced the flimmin fluff (though that was the 80's, a time when everyone and everything had sunglasses). =/

Actually, Contemptor dreds have been in the fluff for a long time. since RT.

also Bjorn(as was explained in that thread) wasn't put in a Dred until long after the Heresy(he was the SWs first Chapter Master) so he would naturally be in a more modern Dred.



Alot of the things which are "new" to us have actually been in the fluff before, just not clearly obvious. examples are Contemptor Dreds, Jokearo Weaponsmiths, Dreadknights(ok, not exactly, but there are precidents for there to be large walking mecha-ish suits in 40k)

And yet there's been no mention of the Space Marine's skyscraper sized Ah-64 wannabe assault lander?

...The rubbish that comes out of the mind of Matt Ward are canon now?

are you referring to the Thunderhawk or possably the Stormbird?

From the fluff that I've just read off of Lexicanum for the Stormbird I'd say that's what that old piece of White Dwarf concept art is. Yet another case of "its from the 80's, call it heresy era technology" syndrome.

the HH books make plenty of references to Stormbirds.


The Stormbird STC was lost so thats why they havn't appeared in any rules context yet. the Stormbird would also be excessive for modern astartes use as it could transport an entire company. 1, thats risky cause we don't want to lose an entire company to a lucky missile, and 2, it would be a very large model.

My you would think with that logic that they're would be far more Reasonable Marines chucking about now wouldn't you.

A guy on here scratch built one.........it is a very large model. Then again GW could always just paint a big Ultramarine's U on a Tau Manta and call it a day.^^

a Stormbird would probably be slightly larger then a Manta. it is carrying 100 marines(possably with room for vehicle support)



it would be nice if GW made some rules for them as an Appoc unit.

It.....err....would it even fit on the table? Oh wait, its a flyer so you could just youknow...have it suspended from the roof spurs or something? What you want to move it...uh are you sure your room's large enough for that?

But yeah, seriously it ought to have a rule where it can deploy a company's worth of Assault Marine's mid flight just like the concept art (note sunglasses once again are optional).

I think it would fit on a good sized Appoc table.

someone built and used a To Scale Emperor titan. the thing was at least 10 feet tall and half as wide.

Grey Templar wrote:a Stormbird would probably be slightly larger then a Manta. it is carrying 100 marines(possably with room for vehicle support)



it would be nice if GW made some rules for them as an Appoc unit.

Depending on vehicle support, a single manta-sized vehicle could handle 100 marines. The manta, if memory serves, holds 50 firewarriors, 8 crisis suits, and 4 tanks (hammerhead/skyray/devilfish).

well, wingspan is probably less, but height would definitly be bigger.

I belive there was one illustration which had a fairly boxy design(it looked like an upscaled Valkierie with a pot belly) with collapsing wings that had conclosed helicopter roters like the gunships in Avatar had.

Grey Templar wrote:I think it would fit on a good sized Appoc table.

No, it would be a good sized Apoc table

Grey Templar wrote:I think it would fit on a good sized Appoc table.

someone built and used a To Scale Emperor titan. the thing was at least 10 feet tall and half as wide.

Which means that he had no idea of scale. 10 feet tall on TT doesn't translate to 55 meters IRL...

Rogue Trader was not Heresy-era. Rogue Trader very specifically described a somewhat different version of a 40K-universe. The old 40K models were not meant to be "old models" in the background. In the earlierst incarnation of RT/40K, there was no such thing as a Heresy. When Björn was originally thought up, the Heresy by and large didn't exist except perhaps in the most broadest of terms.

All the Heresy-era stuff, at least with the rich detail it is worked out these days is a comparably new addition to 40K as a game/IP/universe, even though it explores "in-game" the time before the "main-40K" stuff in a prequel-style expansion of the background.

Grey Templar wrote: 1, thats risky cause we don't want to lose an entire company to a lucky missile, and 2, it would be a very large model.

And the Forgeworld Tau Manta isn't a very large model??

No, not as big as it should be. The initial attempts had a 4' wingspan

It kept breaking.

Which is why you wont see a Stormbird or anything titan sized which is at all appropriate scale. Resin simply has limits to the size you can make things. Now, plastic on the other hand....howeve ra plastic stormbird would be manta money.

There is also the fact that Stormbirds aren't used much any more. you could probably count on your fingers the number of Stormbirds left in the galaxy.

that would kinda preclude having any rules for them.