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I was reading over the BFG rulebook, and was interested in the idea that the navy attempts to keep the SM navy at bay, with only certain ships concerned with planetary assaults. My question is then, how many ships would a chapter have? I know it is dependent on the chapter, but I am looking for some sort of average or guideline of what is a large navy vs. a small navy when it comes to SM's personal spaceships.

Anyone have any help.
thanks!

Its highly variable. There are a few chapters which have a fleet consisting of a single strike cruiser, and there are some that have a couple dozen strike cruisers and a couple battlebarges (I think that last bit might be a lie, I feel like the IN has limited the SM to a max of 1 battlebarge/chapter, but I can't find anything to support it).

Id bet that they all have a few small ships but can ask the Imperial navy to hitch a ride to where ever if they need a few more ships. But the Black templars however only have Spaceships there home world was destoryed i think, Same as the Dark Angels So those two chapters would have much larger fleets or at least bigger ships than your normal SM chapter. But as for the rest its up in the air if you ask me the two Unknow Chapters maybe on gaint fleets like the Templars I hope that my opinion help ya out

The Black Templars never had a homeworld.
The 2 unknown chapters? Do you mean Legions? If you do well they are rumoured to have been destroyed though it's only hinted at.
Fleet based chapters obviously have far larger fleets than planet based chapters.
I'm honestly confused as to the actual strangth of a average chapter's fleet...

purplefood wrote:The Black Templars never had a homeworld.
The 2 unknown chapters? Do you mean Legions? If you do well they are rumoured to have been destroyed though it's only hinted at.
Fleet based chapters obviously have far larger fleets than planet based chapters.
I'm honestly confused as to the actual strangth of a average chapter's fleet...

I think that they have a few ships to defend there home world and do short range missions here and there but I would bet that they are hitch hikers like i saw in Tau Fire warrior ( the video game ) Sum Ultramarines hitched a ride with a group of IG to Combat I think it was the Chaos on a planet so i think thats how they work and I didnt know they didnt have a home world, sorry But off topic the templars are one of two chapters from the Iron fists i think so wat happened to the Iron Fists homeworld homeworld

Mike101 wrote:

purplefood wrote:The Black Templars never had a homeworld.
The 2 unknown chapters? Do you mean Legions? If you do well they are rumoured to have been destroyed though it's only hinted at.
Fleet based chapters obviously have far larger fleets than planet based chapters.
I'm honestly confused as to the actual strangth of a average chapter's fleet...

I think that they have a few ships to defend there home world and do short range missions here and there but I would bet that they are hitch hikers like i saw in Tau Fire warrior ( the video game ) Sum Ultramarines hitched a ride with a group of IG to Combat I think it was the Chaos on a planet so i think thats how they work and I didnt know they didnt have a home world, sorry But off topic the templars are one of two chapters from the Iron fists i think so wat happened to the Iron Fists homeworld homeworld

Imperial Fists.
They claim their homeworld is Terra but in reality they are a fleet based chapter. The Phalanx (A mahoosive battleship) serves as their homebase.
The Imperial Fists also have more than 2 successor chapters.

purplefood wrote:

Mike101 wrote:

purplefood wrote:The Black Templars never had a homeworld.
The 2 unknown chapters? Do you mean Legions? If you do well they are rumoured to have been destroyed though it's only hinted at.
Fleet based chapters obviously have far larger fleets than planet based chapters.
I'm honestly confused as to the actual strangth of a average chapter's fleet...

I think that they have a few ships to defend there home world and do short range missions here and there but I would bet that they are hitch hikers like i saw in Tau Fire warrior ( the video game ) Sum Ultramarines hitched a ride with a group of IG to Combat I think it was the Chaos on a planet so i think thats how they work and I didnt know they didnt have a home world, sorry But off topic the templars are one of two chapters from the Iron fists i think so wat happened to the Iron Fists homeworld homeworld

Imperial Fists.
They claim their homeworld is Terra but in reality they are a fleet based chapter. The Phalanx (A mahoosive battleship) serves as their homebase.
The Imperial Fists also have more than 2 successor chapters.

Do all chapters have Phalanx sized battle ships or is it something signature to the black templars

Mike101 wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Mike101 wrote:

purplefood wrote:The Black Templars never had a homeworld.
The 2 unknown chapters? Do you mean Legions? If you do well they are rumoured to have been destroyed though it's only hinted at.
Fleet based chapters obviously have far larger fleets than planet based chapters.
I'm honestly confused as to the actual strangth of a average chapter's fleet...

I think that they have a few ships to defend there home world and do short range missions here and there but I would bet that they are hitch hikers like i saw in Tau Fire warrior ( the video game ) Sum Ultramarines hitched a ride with a group of IG to Combat I think it was the Chaos on a planet so i think thats how they work and I didnt know they didnt have a home world, sorry But off topic the templars are one of two chapters from the Iron fists i think so wat happened to the Iron Fists homeworld homeworld

Imperial Fists.
They claim their homeworld is Terra but in reality they are a fleet based chapter. The Phalanx (A mahoosive battleship) serves as their homebase.
The Imperial Fists also have more than 2 successor chapters.

Do all chapters have Phalanx sized battle ships or is it something signature to the black templars

Only the Imperial Fists have it. It's a pretty unique ship.

purplefood wrote:

Mike101 wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Mike101 wrote:

purplefood wrote:The Black Templars never had a homeworld.
The 2 unknown chapters? Do you mean Legions? If you do well they are rumoured to have been destroyed though it's only hinted at.
Fleet based chapters obviously have far larger fleets than planet based chapters.
I'm honestly confused as to the actual strangth of a average chapter's fleet...

I think that they have a few ships to defend there home world and do short range missions here and there but I would bet that they are hitch hikers like i saw in Tau Fire warrior ( the video game ) Sum Ultramarines hitched a ride with a group of IG to Combat I think it was the Chaos on a planet so i think thats how they work and I didnt know they didnt have a home world, sorry But off topic the templars are one of two chapters from the Iron fists i think so wat happened to the Iron Fists homeworld homeworld

Imperial Fists.
They claim their homeworld is Terra but in reality they are a fleet based chapter. The Phalanx (A mahoosive battleship) serves as their homebase.
The Imperial Fists also have more than 2 successor chapters.

Do all chapters have Phalanx sized battle ships or is it something signature to the black templars

Only the Imperial Fists have it. It's a pretty unique ship.

Sounds Epic but do the SMs have fighters? or because of there size unable to so what would happen if say they were assulted by small one man crafts from the Tau or Eldar

Mike101 wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Mike101 wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Mike101 wrote:

purplefood wrote:The Black Templars never had a homeworld.
The 2 unknown chapters? Do you mean Legions? If you do well they are rumoured to have been destroyed though it's only hinted at.
Fleet based chapters obviously have far larger fleets than planet based chapters.
I'm honestly confused as to the actual strangth of a average chapter's fleet...

I think that they have a few ships to defend there home world and do short range missions here and there but I would bet that they are hitch hikers like i saw in Tau Fire warrior ( the video game ) Sum Ultramarines hitched a ride with a group of IG to Combat I think it was the Chaos on a planet so i think thats how they work and I didnt know they didnt have a home world, sorry But off topic the templars are one of two chapters from the Iron fists i think so wat happened to the Iron Fists homeworld homeworld

Imperial Fists.
They claim their homeworld is Terra but in reality they are a fleet based chapter. The Phalanx (A mahoosive battleship) serves as their homebase.
The Imperial Fists also have more than 2 successor chapters.

Do all chapters have Phalanx sized battle ships or is it something signature to the black templars

Only the Imperial Fists have it. It's a pretty unique ship.

Sounds Epic but do the SMs have fighters? or because of there size unable to so what would happen if say they were assulted by small one man crafts from the Tau or Eldar

They have vessels that can take care of those...
Either frigates provide anti-fighter/bomber defense or their point defense turrets do.

purplefood wrote:

Mike101 wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Mike101 wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Mike101 wrote:

purplefood wrote:The Black Templars never had a homeworld.
The 2 unknown chapters? Do you mean Legions? If you do well they are rumoured to have been destroyed though it's only hinted at.
Fleet based chapters obviously have far larger fleets than planet based chapters.
I'm honestly confused as to the actual strangth of a average chapter's fleet...

I think that they have a few ships to defend there home world and do short range missions here and there but I would bet that they are hitch hikers like i saw in Tau Fire warrior ( the video game ) Sum Ultramarines hitched a ride with a group of IG to Combat I think it was the Chaos on a planet so i think thats how they work and I didnt know they didnt have a home world, sorry But off topic the templars are one of two chapters from the Iron fists i think so wat happened to the Iron Fists homeworld homeworld

Imperial Fists.
They claim their homeworld is Terra but in reality they are a fleet based chapter. The Phalanx (A mahoosive battleship) serves as their homebase.
The Imperial Fists also have more than 2 successor chapters.

I just couldnt think of what it would look like cause they are so big compared to normal humans unless they have people hard wired to the ship its self like how Titans do with the piolts

Do all chapters have Phalanx sized battle ships or is it something signature to the black templars

Only the Imperial Fists have it. It's a pretty unique ship.

Sounds Epic but do the SMs have fighters? or because of there size unable to so what would happen if say they were assulted by small one man crafts from the Tau or Eldar

They have vessels that can take care of those...
Either frigates provide anti-fighter/bomber defense or their point defense turrets do.

One point is that the BT have a huge fleet of many, many Strike Cruisers and Battle Barges, plus Forge Ships etc.

But I reckon most only have a few strike cruises and one (if they're lucky) battle barge.

Well BT are aproximatly 5-6 times larger than most codex chapters...

Sageheart wrote:I was reading over the BFG rulebook, and was interested in the idea that the navy attempts to keep the SM navy at bay, with only certain ships concerned with planetary assaults. My question is then, how many ships would a chapter have? I know it is dependent on the chapter, but I am looking for some sort of average or guideline of what is a large navy vs. a small navy when it comes to SM's personal spaceships.

Anyone have any help.
thanks!

IIRC, Chapters have a handful of Strike Cruisers at their disposal, with two or three escort vessels per Strike Cruiser. The maximum number of Battle Barges per any Chapter is three, but the majority can only have one.
Fleet makeup varies greatly between each Chapters' disposition and favored tactics, but that is the Codex-approved allowance. Astartes naval forces have been kept limited ever since the Heresy.

Most chapters have roughly 3 strike cruisers to allow for troop movements with a large collection of frigates and small escort vessels.

This is usually increased by a battle barge, with the average upper Limit of 2. Some chapters, such as SW and BT have access to more. While chapters like IF, Salamaders and a few others have access to pre-Great Crusade crafts that are massive or star forts (such as the Relictors).

The DA also have one of the largest warp capable ships in the IoM, The Rock at their disposal.

The SW also tend to... salvage captured Imperial ships and return them to service... albeit with a great big wolf sign on them.

If I recall, there's some fluff that states that the average planet-bound chapter usually has access to about 2 Battle-barges. Not sure how many Strike Cruisers they'd have, though.

Sageheart wrote:I was reading over the BFG rulebook, and was interested in the idea that the navy attempts to keep the SM navy at bay, with only certain ships concerned with planetary assaults. My question is then, how many ships would a chapter have? I know it is dependent on the chapter, but I am looking for some sort of average or guideline of what is a large navy vs. a small navy when it comes to SM's personal spaceships.

Anyone have any help.
thanks!

Codex: Space Marine, page 17:
Ultramarines Chapter Organisation: Fleet Command:
8 Strike Cruisers
3 Battle Barges ( Octavius, Caesar, Serverian )
12 Rapid Strike Vessels
31 Thunderhawk Gunships

I would imagine most other Chapters to be at least this. Some Chapters I'd imagine to have bigger fleets ( Black Templers, Dark Angles etc. ).

edit: spelling

Sageheart wrote:the idea that the navy attempts to keep the SM navy at bay, with only certain ships concerned with planetary assaults

That's true, and is a doctrine that was introduced in the aftermath of the Horus Heresy, which also saw the Imperial Army split into the separate Guard and Navy as well as dislodging Astartes Chapters from the Imperial command structure (meaning they don't have their own Army regiments anymore). The reasoning behind all this is, of course, to prevent the Marines from ever posing a threat against the Imperium again by themselves. Ironically enough, this posed to be a problem during Vandire's tyranny, but once the Mechanicus and other supporters of Thor had joined them, the coalition was finally able to mount a full-scale offensive.

Of course, the Space Wolves seem to be an exception to all this yet again, given that the fluff regarding one of the two Battles of the Fang (the one during the Plague Belief) had them challenge and defeat the entire Segmentum Pacificus Navy with their (and I kid you not) "armada of Space Wolf Battle Barges".
Not sure if this is helpful for your overall assessment of the overall situation, but given that this isn't just some BL stuff but actually showed up in a Codex, I fear it's canon nonetheless.

The Blood Angels currently maintain a fleet composed of two Battle Barges (named Blade of Vengeance and Bloodcaller), seven Strike Cruisers, and sixteen Rapid Strike Vessels.

thanks all! i think my question has been answered!

Lynata wrote:

Sageheart wrote:the idea that the navy attempts to keep the SM navy at bay, with only certain ships concerned with planetary assaults

That's true, and is a doctrine that was introduced in the aftermath of the Horus Heresy, which also saw the Imperial Army split into the separate Guard and Navy as well as dislodging Astartes Chapters from the Imperial command structure (meaning they don't have their own Army regiments anymore). The reasoning behind all this is, of course, to prevent the Marines from ever posing a threat against the Imperium again by themselves. Ironically enough, this posed to be a problem during Vandire's tyranny, but once the Mechanicus and other supporters of Thor had joined them, the coalition was finally able to mount a full-scale offensive.

Of course, the Space Wolves seem to be an exception to all this yet again, given that the fluff regarding one of the two Battles of the Fang (the one during the Plague Belief) had them challenge and defeat the entire Segmentum Pacificus Navy with their (and I kid you not) "armada of Space Wolf Battle Barges".
Not sure if this is helpful for your overall assessment of the overall situation, but given that this isn't just some BL stuff but actually showed up in a Codex, I fear it's canon nonetheless.

And considering a battle barge, for the most part, IS a battleship.... it's great to be a SW?

I think with SM fleets, it varies quite a bit, some follow codex, some don't, even following codex gives quite a few variations... tough to say!

Just don't pull a SW

Anyone have an idea of what the Black Templars actually have aside from around 6k marines. I know there were 900 at the 3rd war for Armegeddon but how many ships/support personel do they have running around. Also what is their vehicle stregnth. They seem to have a great line breaking strategy so what is the number of land raiders thay have?

Does anyone know of a good site to get accurate info on the black templars?

UNREALPwnage wrote:Anyone have an idea of what the Black Templars actually have aside from around 6k marines. I know there were 900 at the 3rd war for Armegeddon but how many ships/support personel do they have running around. Also what is their vehicle stregnth. They seem to have a great line breaking strategy so what is the number of land raiders thay have?

Does anyone know of a good site to get accurate info on the black templars?

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?autocom=ineo&showarticle=456
There is a fountain of information on this page about the templar.

1-3 Battlebarges and an appropriate amount of strikecruisers and escorts. ( i think around 5-10 cruisers and two escorts per capital ).
Some chapters have more ( Black Templars ), others have much less ( Scythes of the Emperor, Flesh Tearers ).
The Ultramarines with three barges and 8 strikecruisers seem to be well equiped with ships but they are a first founding chapter. Other, lesser chapters most likely have a bit less.