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If I have a 5 man Assault Squad in a Rhino, can I add in a Character and retinue of 4 into the same vehicle as there are 5 spare seats?

Oh and can a Chapter master detach from his honour Guard as he is an IC? or do they need to stay with him?

Rules as written - no. Only one UNIT can embark on a transport. A unit and attached independent character can embark if there are enough seats as they then count as a single unit for transport purposes.

The same is true for combat squads - you're not allowed to 'merge squads' for transport reasons once they're deployed, the exception being if both combat squads are deployed in the rhino.

Same for drop pods - you can deploy 2 combat squads from a drop pod (and have them behave independently once they disembark).

If I were playing you though, I'd let you. Seems reasonable enough.

As to the first question: Nope. One unit per transport.

For the second question - the honor guard do NOT have to remain "with" the IC. Ever. Theyre not a retinue, so you can deploy them anywhere you want.

winterdyne wrote:The same is true for combat squads - you're not allowed to 'merge squads' for transport reasons once they're deployed, the exception being if both combat squads are deployed in the rhino.

Same for drop pods - you can deploy 2 combat squads from a drop pod (and have them behave independently once they disembark).

I thought drop pods got a special rule, allowing splitting the squad on landing.
That transports could only carry 1 combat unit, with/without an IC, but still only half the squad. The other combat unit counts as a non-transport unit.

Will have to go back and check...

winterdyne wrote:The same is true for combat squads - you're not allowed to 'merge squads' for transport reasons once they're deployed, the exception being if both combat squads are deployed in the rhino.

You can't deploy both combat squads in the same dedicated transport.

If the CM rules say that the honor guard is a retinue, than he can't seperate from them until they are all dead (then he becomes a IC again)

and off the top of my head, the transport rules say that you may only have 1 unit and 1 IC in there at any one time (unless it's a super-heavy)

Chuck Norris wrote:and off the top of my head, the transport rules say that you may only have 1 unit and 1 IC in there at any one time (unless it's a super-heavy)

You may have all the ICs there's room for.

winterdyne wrote:Rules as written - no. Only one UNIT can embark on a transport. A unit and attached independent character can embark if there are enough seats as they then count as a single unit for transport purposes.

The same is true for combat squads - you're not allowed to 'merge squads' for transport reasons once they're deployed, the exception being if both combat squads are deployed in the rhino.

Same for drop pods - you can deploy 2 combat squads from a drop pod (and have them behave independently once they disembark).

If I were playing you though, I'd let you. Seems reasonable enough.

I think the reason is to stop people filling transports to save points.

So 2 x 5 man devastator squads in one rhino bombing into firing position. Dedicated seems to be the key word.

Though with that strategy you are taking the risk of your transport being destoryed so I agree it's a bit silly.

The same is true for combat squads - you're not allowed to 'merge squads' for transport reasons once they're deployed, the exception being if both combat squads are deployed in the rhino.

This is incorrect. You may not deploy two combat squads in a Rhino. They are two separate units as soon as they hit the table. Only drop pods may deploy with a single squad that breaks into two combat squads when they disembark because the drop pods rules specifically allow you to do so. The Rhino does not share those rules.

My bad. Thought the splitting was part of the transport rules.