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Hi, wanting to get into the game with Imperial Guard and doing a veteran/stormtrooper air assault list at 2000 points. Is the following list legal? If so, does it work?


Company HQ
Carapace
medipak
vox
missile launcher
master of ordnance
officer of the fleet
bodyguard
bodyguard
Straken

Veteran Squad
Carapace
vox
grenade launcher
grenade launcher
grenade launcher
missile launcher

Veteran Squad
Carapace
vox
grenade launcher
grenade launcher
grenade launcher
missile launcher

Storm Troopers
trooper
trooper
trooper
trooper
trooper
trooper
melta
melta

Storm Troopers
trooper
trooper
trooper
trooper
trooper
trooper
melta
melta

Storm Troopers
trooper
trooper
trooper
trooper
trooper
trooper
melta
melta

Vendetta squadron
Vendetta
hellfury 2x
heavy bolters
Vendetta
heavy bolters
Vendetta
heavy bolters

Vendetta squadron
Vendetta
hellfury 2x 0
heavy bolters
Vendetta
heavy bolters
Vendetta
heavy bolters

you better take off the individual cost of wargear quick, it's against Dakka policy...

Yeah take off the points for the upgrades.

You should, otherwise the mods will get angry.
Also, space out your units, it is hard to read.

As to legal...yes. Will it work, maybe. I would split the vendettas into 3 groups of 2 for you to be able to target different things, and go back to the trip lascannons. I also would leave the bolter sponsons on those alone. If you meant Valkeries then give them pods and keep the bolters, but I would run vendettas. Other wise this is an intersting list, I would drop the ML and go straight melta/Plasma on the vets and CCS though. It could be fun to play.

Thanks for the replies, and the heads up about the point cost thing.

Note that you can post point values for a full squad and their upgrades as long as it is done like this (and this is not on your current list just an example)

Veteran Squad
3 melta guns
Chimera with Heavy Flamer
155 points

I myself ran a Hybrid Air Guard list. Bascially, it was 2x kitted out CCS, one with Straken, 2x Plas Vets Squads w/ Bastonne and Harker in valkyries and vendettas. This was my main attack force. The second half of the army was all chimera mounted with 2x LR Demolishers.

For your list, I have to agree Akroma06. Unless the vets are going to be sitting in place, which they probably aren't since this is an air assault army, you wouldn't want the heavy weapons on infantry. Same goes for the Master of Ordnance.

Secondly, only 2 troops is kinda risky since once those are gone, you can't take any objectives. I would advise to drop the Storm Troopers for more vets, preferably with Plasma or Meltas.

By the way, have you looked into Elysian Drop Troop Army List from IA8? Its a really fun list with some nice pieces of gear thrown in.

Air Cav is very tough to win with. Here are some suggestions to make it better:

1: All birds should be Vends w/HBs. Your vehicles NEED to be able to pop tanks from range (3x TL Lascannon). You also need some long range anti-infantry against certain lists, and 10 points for 2 HBs per Vend is a cheap way to get it.

2: You want your Vends in 3 squadrons. This is to force your opponent to divide fire and to let you target more units per turn.

3: Drop all heavy weapons from your Vets and HQ. They will have to disembark to fire, which is moving, so no shooting Heavies that turn.

4: Drop Master of the Ordnance (Complete waste. He must sit still and be out of a bird, in order to shoot).

5: Stormtroopers are not a good as Vets. Vets score, are cheap, and get 3 specials. Drop Stormtroopers for Vets.

6: If you are serious about 2k points of Air Cav, with no ground element, I would go all out and start off with 9 Vends, then fill in with scoring units and HQ. Elites and Special Characters are a waste at this point - you want more birds in the air. Somthing like:
9 Vends w/HBs: 1260
6 Vet Squads w/3x Melta, Shotguns: 600
HQ: This leaves 140 points to tool out your HQ squad

This list gives you full Air Cav. Each Vend Squadron can have 2 Scoring birds, as well as one non-scoring for you to dump hits on. All of your birds have AT and anti-infantry weapons, and as such can fullfill dual roles.

Personally, I would not play w/o a ground element; however, if you are set on Air Cav, the changes I suggested will help.

acekevin8412 wrote:I myself ran a Hybrid Air Guard list. Bascially, it was 2x kitted out CCS, one with Straken, 2x Plas Vets Squads w/ Bastonne and Harker in valkyries and vendettas. This was my main attack force. The second half of the army was all chimera mounted with 2x LR Demolishers.

This was one of my favourite ideas for my up-and-coming IG army, but don't you think it's very much 'having your cake and eating it'?

I don't quite understand what your saying Panda, do you mind explaining what you mean by "having your cake and eating it?"

acekevin8412 wrote:I don't quite understand what your saying Panda, do you mind explaining what you mean by "having your cake and eating it?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Have_one's_cake_and_eat_it_too

Idioms aside, here's how it seems to me (primarily from a fluff-oriented perspective).

Fluff-wise, the idea in fielding an air-cav army is that you can justify having like 6 or 7 valk/vends because that's how an IG air-cav army would realistically operate. Fluff-wise, it all checks out, and no-one can accuse your list of being cheesy (although it will still happen, especially with melta-vets ).

The obvious downside to this is that a typical air-cav regiment could not really access tanks and/or heavy armour, as befits the fluff. Now of course there are umpteen different ways in which one could justify an air-cav army fielding a LRBT, but I think that once you start trying to justify a list that has 2 or 3 LRBTs & 4 or 5 vends\valks as having a fluffy theme then you are really just grasping at straws, if you'll excuse another silly idiom.

Essentially, it seems to me that fielding a LRBT, Bassy or Chimera in an air-cav list is just trying to have two incompatible things combine, and is a cheesy decision.

Now, that said, I completely understand the alternate POV. How you may ask? Well because I am currently in the process of collecting a hybrid air-cav list, complete with (shock! horror!) several valks, vends & LRBTS. However I know for a fact that I am trying to have my cake & eat it, although in fairness my fluff justifies it quite well.

So that is why I think that hybrid air-cav/armour lists are run by people who are trying to have their cake & eat it too

Ahhhh I understand now. I use the IA8 for my pure AirCav needs. Yeah its not tournament legal, but I don't play tournaments, so I'm good.

The easiest way to justify a hybrid aircav army is that its a combined arms force like how the IG would likely operate in "real life."

Yeah... you might want to reconfig your list.