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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/31 19:22:46
Subject: First Skaven 2000 points list please help
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Gangly Grot Rebel
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LORDS
Warlordgeneral
poisoned attacks 15 points
Additional hand weapon
Tail weapon
Armour of destiny (4+ ward save)
166
HEROES
Chieftain
Battle standard
Tail weapon
Halberd
Armour of destiny (4+ ward save)
150 points
Chieftain
Halberd 2
Tail weapon
55 points
Warlock engineer
Doomrocket
Level 1 wizard
95 points
CORE
60 skaven slaves 120 points
musician 2 points
122 points
60 skaven slaves 120 points
musician 2 points
122 points
59 clanrats spears 220.5 points (chieftain goes here)
musician
standard bearer
clawleader
285.5 points
59 clantrats spears (other chieftain goes here)
musician
standard bearer
clawleader
285.5 points
SPECIAL
3 rat ogres
2 packmaster
136 points
7 Poisoned wind globadiers
Bombardier
Death globe
Poisoned wind mortar
165 points
RARE
Hell pit abomination
235 points
Warp lightning cannon
90 points
Warp lightning cannon
90 points
. Oh yeah and how does a warp lightning cannon shoot into slaves and do wounds?thanks for reading
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/08/01 08:46:09
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/01 06:36:15
Subject: First 2000 points list please help
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Raging Rat Ogre
colorado
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Only one of each magic item, so no armor of destiny for every charater.
3 rat ogres will just die to shooting, or be punked in combat. Take more, like 6-8, or drop them all together for more globadiers (2 units of 7ish).
You are very light on magic for 2000 points, think about dropping the warlord for a grey seer.
If you have to keep the warlord, give him a magic weapon as well so he can at least hit hard. The 4 str 4/1str 3 isn't going to do much.
I'd swap the PWM from the globadiers to a unit of clanrats. the globadiers have to get very close to use the globes. That's not where you want a PWM.
If you wanted to, you could break the clanrats into units of 30. Makes then easier to move around, and flank with. If you need points, drop the tail weapons from the charaters and the clawleaders from the units that the chief won't be in.
With the doom rocket, 2 WLC and HPA, you are working to a very hardcore list. If you are just playing firends, or at the local store think about toning it down a notch or 2. Unless of course everyone plays at that level.
Hope this helps, and good luck.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/08/01 06:41:19
Cause the chicks dig it...
2000 (RT era Thousand Sons), 2000 (Undivided), 3000 (demons)
2500 (Skaven), 3000! (Chaos Dwarf), 2500 (Warriors of Chaos)
(RT era World Eaters WIP) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/01 08:42:17
Subject: First 2000 points list please help
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Gangly Grot Rebel
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Yes that helps, i think ill just drop the rat ogres and ill think about breaking the clan rats up. im not sure what weapon of magic to give my general any suggestions? i play with friends and we typically don't tone it down unless theres something we all agree is too much. i added the grey seer as suggested also. can poisoned wind globariders stand behind slaves and throw into the enemy unit? does it use the random hit allocation?
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LORDS
Grey seer
Dispel scroll
Charmed shield (2+ ward save first wound)
270 points
Warlord (general)
Halberd
Sword of might (gives him str 6 withought having to hit last)
Armour of destiny 4+ ward save
163 points
HEROES
Chieftain 4
Battle standard
Halberd
Tail weapon
Talisman of preservation (4+ ward save)
125 points
Chieftain
Halberd
47 points
Warlock engineer
Warplock pistol
Doomrocket
53 points
CORE
60 skaven slaves
musician
122 points
60 skaven slaves 1
musician
122 points
59 clanrats spears (chieftain goes here)
musician
standard bearer
clawleader
Poisoned wind mortar
285.5 points
59 clantrats spears
musician
standard bearer
clawleader
285.5 points
SPECIAL
8 Poisoned wind globadiers
Bombardier
Death globe
110 points
RARE
Hell pit abomination
235 points
Warp lightning cannon
90 points
Warp lightning cannon
90 points
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This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2011/08/01 08:52:54
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/01 11:29:08
Subject: First Skaven 2000 points list please help
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Raging Rat Ogre
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Good to know about your group.
I think I see where you are going with the tail weapons, but they are only STR 3, and DO NOT gain STR bounses from magic items.
And no, you can't stand behind the slaves, as you have to be in range of the ENEMY to shoot into combat.
Yes you would use the "life is cheap" (or whatever it's called for slaves) rule to shoot into combat involving slaves. You would then randomize the hits, like the rules for slaves.
You can't give the Grey Seer a magic shield, as he has no option to take mundane armor in his unit entry.
I'd also drop the tail weapon from the other chief to give naked chief heavy armor, and pass the charmed shield to him as well. Give one chief the ironcurse icon too. The iron curse icon will pay for itself if it only saves one clanrat.
The halberd and the SoM do not stack the STR increase. If you want him to be STR 6, it's GW, or the other magic weapon that gives +2 STR (can't remember the name ATM).
Just read the magic item rules in the BRB, that will solve a lot of your magic item issues I see in your list.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/08/01 11:30:08
Cause the chicks dig it...
2000 (RT era Thousand Sons), 2000 (Undivided), 3000 (demons)
2500 (Skaven), 3000! (Chaos Dwarf), 2500 (Warriors of Chaos)
(RT era World Eaters WIP) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/01 17:32:34
Subject: First Skaven 2000 points list please help
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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I'd be very wary of having your characters run around outside units. They tend to get targeted quickly that way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/03 03:00:32
Subject: First Skaven 2000 points list please help
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Gangly Grot Rebel
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Okay so i dropped tail weapons and i dropped the poisoned wind mortar. can you have a battle standard and a standard bearer in the same squad? and did i read it right that a battle standard can ad on to a standard bearer's unit to add a total of +2 to combat resolve? im new to fantasy...
LORDS
Grey seer, Dispel scroll
265 points
Warlord 90 points (general), Ogreblade 40 points(+2 strength), Armour of destiny(4+ ward save)
180 points
HEROES
Chieftain, Battle standard, Halberd, Talisman of preservation (4+ ward save)
117 points
Chieftain, Halberd, Iron curse icon(6+ ward against warmachines), Charmed shield(2+ ward save first wound)
52 points
Warlock engineer, Doomrocket
45 points
CORE
60 skaven slaves, musician
122 points
60 skaven slaves, musician
122 points
59 clanrats w/ spears, musician, standard bearer, clawleader
285.5 points (chieftain goes here)
59 clantrats w/ spears, musician, standard bearer, clawleader
285.5 points (chieftain goes here)
SPECIAL
8 Poisoned wind globadiers, Bombardier, Death globe
110 points
RARE
Hell pit abomination
235 points
Warp lightning cannon
90 points
Warp lightning cannon
90 points
Automatically Appended Next Post: should i drop the clan rats down to 35 or 42 for a 7x5/6 formation and add a poisoned wind mortar in conjuction with the slaves?. should i make the slaves in rows of 7 to increase their rank bonus for their strength in numbers rule? or do i want more attacks for them with less ranks to widdle down the enemy a model or two faster and hopefully have more ranks?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/03 06:17:47
Subject: First Skaven 2000 points list please help
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Raging Rat Ogre
colorado
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Yes you can have a BSB and unit standard in the same unit, and the CR stacks.
I'd drop the clanrats down to 35 and go 5x7 or split them into 4 units of 30 each. The slaves should be ran 5 wide, and however deep so that they stay steadfast for as along as possible.
When the slaves "pop" the hits are also based on number of ranks, so that's another good reason for going with as many ranks possible with slaves.
Slaves aren't really there to "widdle down" anything (unless you're shooting into combat), they are used to delay/stall the opponents units until your clanrats can get a flank. Or they hold up a unit so long that it takes very little part in the game itself.
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Cause the chicks dig it...
2000 (RT era Thousand Sons), 2000 (Undivided), 3000 (demons)
2500 (Skaven), 3000! (Chaos Dwarf), 2500 (Warriors of Chaos)
(RT era World Eaters WIP) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/03 21:27:37
Subject: First Skaven 2000 points list please help
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Gangly Grot Rebel
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LORDS
Grey seer-Dispel scroll-Power scroll
300 points
Warlord(general)-Ogreblade-(+2 strength)-Armour of destiny(4+ ward save)
180 points
HEROES
Chieftain-Battle standard-Halberd-Charmed shield-(2+ ward save first wound)-Talisman of preservation (4+ ward save)
122 points
Chieftain-Halberd-Iron curse icon(6+ ward against warmachines)
47 points
Warlock engineer-Doomrocket-
45 points
CORE
50 skaven slaves-musician(5x10 formation)
102 points
50 skaven slaves-musician(5x10 formation)
102 points
50 skaven slaves-musician(5x10 formation)
102 points
34 clanrats spears-(chieftain goes here)(5x7 formation)
Full command-Poisoned Wind Mortar-
238 points
34 clantrats spears-(chieftain goes here)(5x7 formation)
Full command-Poisoned Wind Mortar-
238 points
SPECIAL
8 Poisoned wind globadiers
Bombardier
Death globe
110 points
RARE
Hell pit abomination
235 points
Warp lightning cannon
90 points
Warp lightning cannon
90 points
okay so this is 1001 points actually i chose 2 poisoned wind mortars with the rats to shoot into combat where the slaves are. i also added one more block of slaves, didnt know if just increasing the two blocks by 50 each would be better. 3 blocks seemed like i would have more options to tarpit.
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I was thinking the rats will kind of sit back if any units break from the slaves they can pick them up and if they have the optportunity to flank do that. they seemed like a good option to protect the two poisoned wind mortars and the two warp lightning cannons
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/04 05:35:07
Subject: First Skaven 2000 points list please help
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Raging Rat Ogre
colorado
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The grey seer can't have both scrolls. It's only 1 magic item per category. That means only one enchanted/arcane/weapon etc. item per charater.
Also my math has your list at 2001 points. You can drop the unit champs to free up points.
List looks good, and you've got a plan for the army. Now the only thing left to do is field test it.
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Cause the chicks dig it...
2000 (RT era Thousand Sons), 2000 (Undivided), 3000 (demons)
2500 (Skaven), 3000! (Chaos Dwarf), 2500 (Warriors of Chaos)
(RT era World Eaters WIP) |
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