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We all know that the main reason ton of people hate Ultramarines is because they are "poster boys" and most of 40k Space Marine fluff is going toward them, they are army for example and present all that Space Marine is...
Then why don't people hate Cadians who are basically Ultramarines in Imperial Guard? They are IG "poster boys", aldo fluff in the Guard is equal balanced between Regiments, on most pictures are Cadians, far more than any other Regiment. And their hero is one of the most useful figures in the game ( Creed and his Scout rule ).

So why hate for Ultramarines, but not for Cadians?

Let's see... something something IG are more brave because they aren't superhuman, something something UltraSmurfs, something something Mary Sues. That's usually how this goes, right?

Well the reason why Ultramarines are the poster boys is because their stock outsells everything else and therefore get nerd rage from some misguided miscreants. Cadians don't sell as much as Ultramarines and are not poster boys, therefore they do not get the same stigma.

Because Ultramarines show up so much more in everything else then cadians. Also with all the fluff of the ultramarines it's kind of amazing to me that it wan't them that turned to chaos. They already had their own galactic empire thing going, still do pretty much. Cadians on the other hand sit right outside the eye of terror and so are pretty damned good for a reason. They fight chaos a lot more often then any other gaurd regiment.

HellsGuardian316 wrote:Well the reason why Ultramarines are the poster boys is because their stock outsells everything else and therefore get nerd rage from some misguided miscreants. Cadians don't sell as much as Ultramarines and are not poster boys, therefore they do not get the same stigma.

And what Regiment do we see, who would know - it's Cadians.

The Cadians are badasses because they are humans with lasguns. Fighting for humanity on all fronts, They finish the fight when the space marines have left. They clean-up the orks, and all the races that triied to steal their planet.

I do have a feeling GW will put a different Marine Chapter in the next starter set instead of Ultrasmurfs. I've heard rumors from Black Templars / Dark Angels to Imperial Fists. If those rumors are true I expect to see a nice shift in the next edition of which army most people will despise lol

Probably because not every third gamer plays them, nor because they're so overhyped in the fluff (and as an extension of this because they aren't Matt Ward's babies). Donna, some might call them a bit of an underdog army, if youknow it weren't for all the tanks. I guess there's more to relate to in your average joe guardsman than a huge, emotionless superhuman warrior. =/

Brother Coa wrote:We all know that the main reason ton of people hate Ultramarines is because they are "poster boys" and most of 40k Space Marine fluff is going toward them, they are army for example and present all that Space Marine is...
Then why don't people hate Cadians who are basically Ultramarines in Imperial Guard? They are IG "poster boys", aldo fluff in the Guard is equal balanced between Regiments, on most pictures are Cadians, far more than any other Regiment. And their hero is one of the most useful figures in the game ( Creed and his Scout rule ).

So why hate for Ultramarines, but not for Cadians?

Because the Cadian's don't have a silly bright color scheme, don't win every time just because, and aren't plastered all over everything they way UM's are. There's a lot more IG lines and worlds that are vastly different in terms of visual effect that are also very popular, you don't get the overfocus that UM's get. You also don't have stupid lines like "all Guardsmen wish they could be Cadians".

People are just mad that Ultramarines are better then their favorite chapter. Calgar would out do any other chapter master out there. and they HATE that. they can't stand the fact that there is a better chapter then theirs.

Monster Rain wrote:Let's see... something something IG are more brave because they aren't superhuman, something something UltraSmurfs, something something Mary Sues. That's usually how this goes, right?

Strange logic, should you set the danger in relation to the abilty to see if someone is brave and not only the abiltiy?

GamzaTheChaos wrote:People are just mad that Ultramarines are better then their favorite chapter. Calgar would out do any other chapter master out there. and they HATE that. they can't stand the fact that there is a better chapter then theirs.

+1

The big difference is that one is a Space Marine and one is an IG.

Players that don't play SM armies tend to feel a little neglected by GW. About half of the codexes are just Space Marines with different color schemes. When you're playing a xenos codex that hasn't been updated in 5+ years, this tends to upset you.

Ultras are the most popular SM chapter, so they tend to be the focus of all the SM hate.

IG only take up a single codex. So, they don't really inconvenience the rest of the players.

Maybe Cadians get the most hate from other IG players, they don't really effect the non-IG players.

You weak humans! Why do you hate the posers?!? Almost all humans (99.(9)%) become posers when they gain power! So I think you should not hate so much the ultra marines because by doing so you hate yourselves (if you become powerful at some point)!

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Monster Rain wrote:Let's see... something something IG are more brave because they aren't superhuman, something something UltraSmurfs, something something Mary Sues. That's usually how this goes, right?

Strange logic, should you set the danger in relation to the abilty to see if someone is brave and not only the abiltiy?

Oh, it's not my logic. I don't understand it either, I just see it every time one of these threads pops up.

GamzaTheChaos wrote:People are just mad that Ultramarines are better then their favorite chapter. Calgar would out do any other chapter master out there. and they HATE that. they can't stand the fact that there is a better chapter then theirs.

The fact that the Ultramarines are always the bestest at everything is, in and of itself, stupid, and a reason to hate them. Why have anything else when Ultramarines just do it better? It's awful storywriting and awful for players trying to immerse themselves in a game universe that is so much larger than that one faction, that's always "better" for no discernable reason.

GamzaTheChaos wrote:People are just mad that Ultramarines are better then their favorite chapter. Calgar would out do any other chapter master out there. and they HATE that. they can't stand the fact that there is a better chapter then theirs.

Please Dante rolls up and Calgar gives him command. 1500 years of combat experience deserves that kind of respect. It's not that the Ultras are more successful It's the damn Ward quote, "all marines want to become Ultramarines," I mean come on completely ridiculous.

You know that in any group of people that do something there will be people that are the best at it, right?

And the Ultramarines happen to be the best of the Space Marines, so that's why we hear so much about them? It's like complaining that Farmer Maggot didn't get enough screen time in Lord of the Rings.

Monster Rain wrote:You know that in any group of people that do something there will be people that are the best at it, right?

And the Ultramarines happen to be the best of the Space Marines, so that's why we hear so much about them? It's like complaining that Farmer Maggot didn't get enough screen time in Lord of the Rings.

Your saying Farmer Maggot was the best dude in LOTR? I can agree with that I think.

Well, I was saying that the Ultramarines are the main characters of the Space Marine story, that's why you hear so much about them. They are the Frodo of the story, if you will, while the Sharks of the Emprah are Lobelia Sackville-Baggins.

Farmer Maggot is a stone cold pimp.

Brother Coa wrote:We all know that the main reason ton of people hate Ultramarines is because they are "poster boys" and most of 40k Space Marine fluff is going toward them, they are army for example and present all that Space Marine is...
Then why don't people hate Cadians who are basically Ultramarines in Imperial Guard? They are IG "poster boys", aldo fluff in the Guard is equal balanced between Regiments, on most pictures are Cadians, far more than any other Regiment. And their hero is one of the most useful figures in the game ( Creed and his Scout rule ).

So why hate for Ultramarines, but not for Cadians?

Actually, a lot of people hate Ultramarines because they are essentially overpowered fluff wise. They are the best at everything. They pretty much never lose (a single company of Ultramarines destroyed all of Hive Fleet Behemoth; Ultramarines saved the Black Templars and billions of civilians from one of the first Necron awakenings, they defeated the Orks on Black Reach and many, many other events). Its ridiculous and its an insult to the people who play as the factions that are constantly defeated by the Ultramarines. When I played as Tyranids I absolutely hated them because the Ultramarines always won against them, had special units to destroy them, and never lost against them. I'd be fine with the Ultramarines if they were toned down and had a few failures and less over the top victories. But as long as Space Marine sales are high that will never happen.

Monster Rain wrote:You know that in any group of people that do something there will be people that are the best at it, right?

The are a couple problems with this idea

1: It doesn't exactly make a whole lot of sense that the UM's are the best at everything, certainly it'd be hard to say that the UM's are better siege troops than the Imperial Fists for example, or better at guerilla warfare/fast strikes than the Raptors, Ravenwing, or Raven Guard, or better assault specialists than the Blood Angels/Templars/Wolves, etc. There's really nothing that the UM's are actually supposedly good at that others *aren't* as good or better at.

2: There needn't be a best at everything. There certainly isn't with other factions. no Hive fleet is seen as "the best". No IG regiment is seen as "the best" (not even Cadians, they are merely a benchmark). There is no "best" Craftworld, or "best" Chaos Legion, or "Best" Ork Clan, or 'Best' Sister's Order, etc.

I hate the Cadians.

But for a defacto "poster child" to make models of, they make the most sense. You can make your own chapter nice and easy. Same with how all the SM are the same just with different paint.

But fluff wise, I hate them.

sparkywtf wrote:I hate the Cadians.

But for a defacto "poster child" to make models of, they make the most sense. You can make your own chapter nice and easy. Same with how all the SM are the same just with different paint.

But fluff wise, I hate them.

You are the first one to hate them....

Because Cadians do not have predictable and boring plot armour.

How about, instead of "the best", I said "best exemplified what it means to be a strict adherent to the Codex Astartes"?

Still, it doesn't change the fact that they are he main Space Marine protagonist in 40k fluff. I hear rumors that this might be changing, though. At least for the next codex. I have my fingers crossed for Iron Hands.

Gotta give respect to imperial guard, those guys have to deal with so much bigger and scarier shi* than them lol
Space marines have all their super armour and ultra enhancements lol Guards are given a gun and told to go out and die
I totally root for the guard over space marines, gotta have balls of steel to be a guard, space marines have it easy.

Monster Rain wrote:How about, instead of "the best", I said "best exemplified what it means to be a strict adherent to the Codex Astartes"?

That is, quite frankly, the best way to consider it. The Ultramarines are not the only Chapter to follow the Codex Astartes.

Still, it doesn't change the fact that they are he main Space Marine protagonist in 40k fluff. I hear rumors that this might be changing, though. At least for the next codex. I have my fingers crossed for Iron Hands.

Don't quote me on this, but I've heard Raven Guard are seriously being looked at for the posterboy role.

As for Cadians--they're the benchmark for professionalism mixed with practicality and sheer grit. They may not have one particular specialty that they're famed for aside from being stubborn gits, but they're good all around forces and well-respected for the fact that they are the Wardens of the Gate.

AtomicEngineer wrote:Gotta give respect to imperial gaurd, those guys have to deal with so much bigger and badder shi* than them lol

Space marines have all their super armour and ultra enhancments lol Gaurds are given a gun and told to go out an die lol

I totally root for the gaurd over space marines, gotta have balls of steel to be a gaurd, space marines have it easy.

Lolwut? There is so much wrong with this statement it isn't even funny.