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Hi guys I am having a hard time beating my bro inlaw when I use my space wolves. I think part of it is adapting my play style as I am used to orks.

However the last game was the worst.

He uses 2 squads of scorpions with exarchs plus Karandras that always outflank.

Last game these manged to kill 10 grey hunters in a turn and then killed another in his next turn. In the end I assulted them with my lord and wolf guard (in power armour) and managed to kill them but not before all my wolf Guard were killed.

This had a massive impact on the rest of the game as I had lost over 50% of my infantry in a couple of turns.

Any idea what to use to take them down?

Throw a rune priest in a transport and move him within 24" of the farseer to shutdown eldar psychic powers. The runepriest will also be shut down thanks to runes of warding, but that's ok. Having both sides shutdown hurts the eldar far more than it will hurt you.

Avoid deploying long fangs near a board edge if he has outflanking units. It's better to be out in the open than in assault range of outflanking scorpions. Also not Eldar generally lack long ranged low AP firepower. They have lots of long ranged dakka, but only brightlances and a couple of EML can ignore a 3+ armor save that is out in the open. Most of their long ranged firepower is in the form of S6 scatter lasers that have no AP.

Yeah he loves his scatter lasers he runs 3 vipers with scatter lasers n shurican cannons. Plus 3 warwalkers with twin scatter lasers so I end up making a lot of saves. I have learnt not to assualt eldar due to their higher initiative lol

njal stormcaller also has an ability to shut down psychic powers. I would consider bringing him. small squads of grey hunters with melta is good to take out any armoured stuff. Also think about 2 squads of long fangs and 2 lazorbacks

Scorpions don't have fleet of foot, so they can only assault 12". If you stay out of their reach and shoot them with boltguns, they'll go down. They have a 3+ save, but only T3, so he'll be making a lot more saves than you.

This is really scorpions' biggest weakness--they die pretty easily to massed shooting.

Karandas's big weakness is that he has no invulnerable save, he attacks at I1 when using his fist, and he's an independent character. So if you can single him out in close combat with a a lot of power weapon or rending attacks, he'll die (fists don't work as well because he has eternal warrior, but throw a lot of fist or thunderhammer hits on him, and that will kill him too).

If you do have to go into assault, models with thunderhammer and storm shield will bounce scorpion assaults because the scorpions lack power weapons except for the exarch's fist so you get your 2+ saves. Even with Karandas in there, storm shields will do well because you get your 3++ save against his 8 power fist attacks.

If he outflanks keep in the middle of the board, that gives plenty of time to shoot the Scorpions down. If he infiltrates don't place near terrain that allows him to place within 12 inches out of sight. As Flavius Infernus said they'll die to fire pretty quickly. If he takes Karandas he bound quite some points in one model without invul save. Abuse that and either shoot him or use rending and the likes.

Cheers guys we tend to play on the short table edge so he gets. the advantage of outflanking as nearly everything is in assault range. My grey hunters both have 2 plasma gunsin the squads, should I swap them for meltas? I am also thinking terminators with th/ss and wolf claws good idea?

Terminators with th/ss are never a bad idea.