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this is the first beastmen list i wrote and wanted to know what you guys thought of it
LORDS
great bray shaman
lvl 4 (shadow)
skull of rakos

HEROS
wargor
BSB
beast banner
gnarled hide
sheild

bray shaman
lvl 1 (beasts)
shard of the herdstone

29 gors (BSB)
AHW
standard bearer
musician

30 ungors
hand weapon and sheilds
standard bearer
musician

10 gors (ambush)

10 ungors (ambush)

6 minotaurs
AHW

6 harpies

My level 1 and level 4 wizards are going to be hiding in the backfield with the deployed herdstone to grant them an additional +1 power dice each (giving me 2D6+2+2 channel). The level 4 is my main aggressor using all his foul magics to weaken and drain my foes whilst my level 1 is spamming wyssans wild form where needed to boost my own troops. The combination should prove brutal. Whats better is the Level 4 Wizard grants +1 to all casting values to all friendly wizards within 6" so he is casting on a 5+ and the level 1 is casting one a 2+.

I have a big horde of gor with my BSB in with them. The unit comes in with 2 S4 attacks and has T4. Primal Fury is almost certain with the BSB resulting in hatred on those attacks and toughness 4 will keep them rather safe. When buffed by beasts they come into a league of their own hitting with hatred induced S5 and taking blows back on their T5

the blood crazed minotaur's coming in with 6 S6 attacks each overall and only get more as the battle continues. Again wyssans can benefit them making them a lot harder to hurt and shadow can drain a units strength or initiative giving your minotaur's free reign when it comes to killing things.

So Shaman go with the ungor in kind of a bunker? Or are they just going to be out in the open? I do like it Heavy Armor would be nice on the BSB 4pts for +2 armor save is nice. 10 Gor and 10 ungor I don't think are going to do much for you. Our ambush rule is more gimmicky then effective. I think you'd be better off boosting your blocks 40 gor is really ideal for horde formation. I am also starting beastmen and am a little torn between the beast banner and a level 1 as they are the same price. In a herdstone I would probably go with a level 1, this gives you an extra dice and chance to channel and another Wyssan's +1S and +1T is better then +1S. And there is no restriction against stacking Wyssan's give those gor 40 WS4 (rerollable with primal fury) S5 attacks that are at T6 when getting return attacks.

The big problem i have with the herdstone is that after a turn of movement your units arent going to be in range of your wizards for augment spells if you want them to keep getting the herdstone bonus. This is a big problem with beastmen as they need to be mobile. With the amount of damage minotaurs can dish out i feel AHW are excessive. Try running them with handweapon and shield and armor so they can at least attempt saves versus shooting. I do like the use of large infantry block though. If it were me I would swap the BSB banner to either the flaming attacks or +1 movement banner in the main book. They do more for their cost. Also consider dropping the ambushing units or consolidating their points into one bigger unit. That's what I would do. If you can make this work then good game to you.

Looks good to me, Beef up the blocks of Gors and Replce the Ungors with Spears is the only thing i'd change.

I think most people that park their shamans near the herdstone go Shadow/Beasts. Most are level 1-2s with Wyssans being 12-24 inch range, 24 inches being cast on beastmen with a 12+ and Miasma with 48inch range, neither requires LOS.

Oh wow, in order to have an ambushing unit of Gors you dont have to have another unit of Gors with the same amount of models in it? I thought they had to be identical, am i wrong? Cuz if so, thats awesome.

Drake118 wrote:Oh wow, in order to have an ambushing unit of Gors you dont have to have another unit of Gors with the same amount of models in it? I thought they had to be identical, am i wrong? Cuz if so, thats awesome.

The unit of Gors that you plan to ambush have to be equal or less than the one you have on the table, it's something i've used recently quite alot and is good for causing the opponent to panic and have to re evaluate the situation.

I like to take blocks of 30 and 20 gors. (my 2500 point list has two of each) If my opponent has backfield stuff (like warmachines, or possibly a herdstone ) then I can ambush the smaller unit. If not, I have a nice little unit I can attempt to flank charge with. I disagree that it is a gimmick, but I do think it is very situational. Don't just ambush because you can; ambush because you have juicy targets.

With that in mind, I agree that ambushing 10 of anything is sub-optimal. The exception to this is if you run several small units of Ungor Raiders. Because you can't charge the turn you show up, you either need to be big enough to take a round of shooting, or you need to be able to shoot that first turn yourself. The issue I have with the Raiders is that I have found them to be pretty well useless when I start them on the tabletop.