Vendetta and sponsoon Heavy Bolters Worth It?

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**deathwing**

So I'm building the Vendetta model and it seems like a pain in the butt to paint the heavy bolter gunners and interior. Now the upside is this would make the model much cooler. However, is the work worth if the heavy bolters would never be used. Note I have yet to play a single game with IG yet. Still in the construction phase. For those that have opinion for or against, thoughts? Thanks.

Joey

**jdjamesdean@mail.com**

I just run 3 plain Vendettas, I let the Manticores worry about mowing down infantry or AV 14 stuff for that matter.

**deathwing**

I'm also thinking the heavy bolters have rather limited fire arcs, so you can't really bring both to bear.

Joey

**Jereziah**

I personally run Vendettas with Heavy Bolters. Helps them wound infantry and can help out with AV10-11. Plus its only 10 points!

**schadenfreude**

But it is 30 on 3 of them. That is enough for 3ac or melta in regular infantry squads, an astropath, oof, or moo. IG can do a lot with 30 points.

**WhiteWolf01**

If you have the points left over with nothing else to spend them on then you may as well. I've often put them on my vendettas and valk to never have used them in a game. They have really never served any purpose. Anyway a valk is either shooting its main guns on the move or dead. Rarely have I had a valk have all it's main weapons knocked out before being blown up so heavy bolters on it are kinda meh, at least on a vendetta whose sole purpose is to tank hunt. If you are going to take HBs then put them on something that will use them like a regular valk with MRPs. Bumps up its infantry killing power just a bit to be worth it.

**jdjamesdean@mail.com**

It's IG there is always something better to spend 30 points on

**Lord Harrab**

Not really worth it, by adding heavy bolters you're making a specialist unit into a not-very-good generalist, and by that i mean simply adding a pair of anti-infantry isn't going to make a vendetta good at infantry hunting and won't help at all with tanks. Best to keep them as the outflanking tank-murders they are.

But if you want an airborne troop killer, the Valkyre with missile pods and multi-laser makes hordes cry, moving 12" and strafing formations with all weapons and costs the same.

**Jereziah**

You guys use 3 Vendettas? I usually use 2 Vendettas + 1 Hellhound

**Necrontyr40k**

The unique ability to mount a 3x TL LC is invaluable in an army with BS3. There is just no better antitank than maybe a Paskquisher, which has BS4 but iis unique, expensive, and does not have TL.

Putting the sponsons means you waste them on V's prime targets, or you make better use of them on other targets, thereby mostly wasting the primary armament. Either way, it is a waste.

Frankly, some of GW's so-called "upgrades" are nothing but an intelligence test for the user. If you take them, you fail the test.

**schadenfreude**

Fluff wise the hard points to mount a HB on a vendetta make sense. The Valk and Vendetta are after all the exact same aircraft with different weapons load outs, so the hard point for the HB make sense even though the vendetta doesn't use them.

**Khe-Loc**

I wouldn´t do it. The vendetta is still a anti tank vehicle, so the s5 heavy bolter isn´t gonna do much.

**Kirika**

I always have problems finding the points. But now I don't think they are worth it since the rulebook faq makes you move Vendettas more then 6 when reserve outflanking. If you can move 6 and fire all weapons Heavy Bolters at Strength 5 could hurt side armor AV11 Rhinos and AV10 Chimeras but now that you can't fire them since defense are str 4 not worth taking.

**AnotherNoob**

I am building a Valkyrie at the moment. I painted the interior before assembly and made the HB removable. I probably won't use them but they look cool.

**whitedragon**

Heavy Bolters work well on a Valkyrie with Rocket Pods.

**Kirika**

I would magnetize the heavy bolters and the rocket pods/ las cannons so you can have both a valkyrie or a vendetta thats what i did with mine.

Valkyrie with heavy bolters and rocket pods is quite good but hard to give up the anti tank power of the vendetta for one. If this was elyssians and you could take a valkyrie as a dedicated transport then valkyrie with rocket pods and heavy bolters would be great.

**cgmckenzie**

I figure not having them is better gameplay wise, but incredibly unfluffy. Put them on for a good model, don't pay for them.

-cgmckenzie

**deathwing**

I ultimately decided to glue the doors shut. I didn't have it in me to paint the interior. Thanks for the help everyone. I do ultimately want a normal Valkyrie. Multilaser plus two rockets pods is kind of fun. Problem is I have a ton of anti-horde with the regular infantry.

Joey.

**Compel**

There is an advantage to heavy bolters that not many people have mentioned. One of my biggest issues with my Imperial Guard army is that I have great difficulty actually *killing* something. I'll wipe out 8/10 of a squad, but then the last 2 guys will end up becoming a major pain in the rear end to deal with.

The way heavy bolters on the vendetta help with this is against Monstrous creatures. Quite often the heavy bolters will aid me greatly in getting frakking wound on a daemon prince or some tyranid beastie. Admittedly, I only take the one, but I do think heavy bolters have their place.

**Byte**

Trying to crack a LR. 3 TLLC and bolters... Save the 30 pts...

**Jereziah**

I like HBs on the Vendettas because they can help finish off squads like what Compel said. Plus they can help put wounds on MCs which are prime targets for Vendettas.

**tilarium**

I personally don't put them on my models. Like you said, it's a pain to paint the interior. I doubt anyone would have a problem with you "adding" the guns on even if they aren't on the model. I've never had anyone complain with it before.

**labmouse42**

Can you magnetize them so you can clip them on whenever you want to play with them?

HBs on Vendetta's are a mixed bag. Against some armies, they can deliver a lot of firepower. Lets say that your facing an ork horde list, or a marine bike army. In those instances the 3 LCs are not going to do much, but a few extra heavy bolters can bring a lot to the table.

On the other hand, if your facing a 'mech army, then the HB are not going to bring much for you. Your going to be shooting at tanks until there are no more to shoot at.

**DarknessEternal**

Byte wrote:Trying to crack a LR. 3 TLLC and bolters... Save the 30 pts...

First, you mean 10 points.
Second, your Vendattas only shoot at Land Raiders ever? Never at anything else?

**Byte**

DarknessEternal wrote:
Byte wrote:Trying to crack a LR. 3 TLLC and bolters... Save the 30 pts...

First, you mean 10 points.
Second, your Vendattas only shoot at Land Raiders ever? Never at anything else?

I was assuming 3 vendettas.

Its like mixing HBs and lascannons in a Dev squads.

**DarknessEternal**

Byte wrote:
Its like mixing HBs and lascannons in a Dev squads.

No, it's like an option that says "In addition to all those heavy weapons, without giving up anything, you can add 2 more heavy bolters for 10 more points".

**Diesel Stradin**

umm... I don't personally play IG but 10pnts for HB on a reliable AV sounds like a bargain to me.....

**Byte**

For purposes of target priority. You can allocate the 10 points, I chose not to. Carry on.