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LOL, just had this conversation the other day because the...somethingorother...that's in Storm of Magic. Technically, it is in fact a GW model

wallyosu wrote:1)Would the use of HeroQuest figs be tournament legal (or even okay in a friendly game)? I would be more than willing to attach them to 40K bases. Technically, they were produced by GW, correct?

They would theoretically be legal as stand-in WHFB minis, as they are Citadel Miniatures... Says so on the box.

For 40K, you would need a bit of modification, so that's going to be down to the TO, really.

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Well, rather than just 'hoping' you would be better off asking the organiser of whichever tournament you're looking at entering them in, since ultimately it's up to them.

Much easier to know ahead of time than to turn up on the day and not be allowed to play.

While I wouldnt disallow them I dont see how Heroquest models would work for 40k without massive amounts of conversion (Might as well buy a 40k model at that point)

However, I am amused that they do qualify as a citadel model

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Do you have a picture of the orks, especially a size comparison shot? I'd be curious if you could make it work convincingly or not...

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You'd have one hell of a time getting them off the base without clipping off the feet, although I guess you could clip the corners and glue it to a 25mm base. They are small for 40k orks, don't have a good pose for holding a gun, and lack most of the look of 40k orks.

So while technically they are a citadel miniature, unless you put a lot of work in, they are going to be pretty awful looking miniatures.

The work to make these look better would be a lot better spent putting together better models. Starter set orks with a slugga and choppa are very cheap, and while usually thought of as boring models, are a hell of a lot better than these things.

Ha thats hilarious! I still have my heroquest game too. I hadn't looked at it in like a decade and didnt even realize that it was a GW product.

It wasn't really. It was a Milton Bradley/Parker Bros product with Citadel Miniatures. As was Space Crusade.

Advanced Heroquest was a Games Workshop game.


It's the 'Citadel Miniatures' that make the models technically acceptable in GW events, even though the games themselves weren't Games Workshop products.

Id be horribly embarrassed to use those models in public. The shame incurred by such an action is incentive enough to never ever use them for any reason

I use old citadel models all the time in my 40k armies for "counts as" inquisitorial henchmen. I have an ordo xenos inquisitor that I field with old saurus and wood elf models for crusaders and death cult assassins.

I used old zoats for counts as ogryns too which could easily go in a DE retinue for one of the aliens.

Remember also that Heroquest is fairly collectible. If you have a complete or mostly complete copy, you can get some scratch for it online. IIRC, I sold my copy at boardgamegeek for around 30 bucks. 30 bucks can translate into a fair amount of 2nd hand space orks.

Kind of regret it now as within months of selling it, I started playing Song of Blades and Heroes and could have used all the figs.

As to the matter at hand, the miniatures in Space Crusade, Heroquest and Battle Masters are so similar to comparable metal citadel minis of the time that you shouldn't have any problem. If anybody asks, just tell them that they're GW sculpts from the 90's. It's the truth, and it will clear up the issue while bypassing the GW/MiltonBradley debate.

Lastly, if you do convert them, it might be worthwhile to ask here on or bartertown to see if anyone has any of the old RT/2ndEd plastic ork arms. They're a much better size match to the heroquest figs. Even without the old arms, I dont' see much difficulty in the conversion overall. Just rotate the left wrist arm, glue a gun on there, and maybe add a few orky bits, spikes or shoulder pads if desired. For removing them from the base, just clip around the feet with nippers this will leave the model wearing rather thick shoes, but, you can either file it down, trim it of, or just compensate for it when you add the basing.

Back in the early to mid 90's when the variety of plastics was very limited I made an army entirely out of Heroquest, Advanced Heroquest, Talisman and Battlemasters figures, plus one scratchbuild pegasus made from a horsey from a farmyard set an d some bird wing bits. This yielded up what was at the time a large army of 2000pts of knights, heavy spearmen, crossbowmen, archers, ogres, levy halberdiers and a cannon with standard bearers and champions for each unit and a number of wizards and heroes. I still have this army. There wasnt a single metal miniature in it, and the only Warhammer plastic sold the Empire Halberdiers was not included in my army because I didnt like the sculpt.

It was not popular with GW , but not banned outright. Whwen Jervis Johnson saw the army in a local tournament he frowned and said "I've seen this a lot". I beleive him, Battlemasters and Heroquest versions made for some good army building at a time when the advantages of a plastic army were not to be had. However a big decider was that these games did not sell well and could be picked up in WH Smith for a couple of quid back in 92' 93'.


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Wizard of Morcar included some decent wizard miniatures, including a druid, a classic wizard with pointy hat and beard a chaos sorcerer and an orc shaman. plus some less than passable men at arms that I did not use. GW plastic orc shaman in 1991'!




The Heroquest Ogre expansion miniatures were excellent characterful sculpts. Seven ogres for £1.99 bargain basement sale. I should have bought more packs at the time. I like Heroquest ogres a lot, I think they look better than the current ones and are great for generic fantasy use.




Advanced heroquest provided some high quality character sculpts.





Finally you get Battlemasters, an awesome game. Awesome as in it was such a flop in offered hundreds of citadel miniatures in single bargain bins for only a few pounds. I bought two sets.

Knights, archers crossbowmen, halberdiers, cannon and various evil forces (that I gave away), and a very nice tower. I ought to have kept the play mat in hindsight.

All thr above doest appear much but when rebased for warhammer and given a nice paintjob it holds its own even today. The thing is these miniatures were low detail not poor detail. Sure an infantryman might have a weapin tunic brecches and simple boots his armour a belt a pouch and a helmet, but that plus face and fingers and the oddest sculpted detail is all you really need. the number of feastures per minature is low, but painted up that is all forgiven and looks just as good as modern minitures with far more detail. Easy to paint too.


Sad thing is surviving copies of this stuff can fetch a lot depending on condition.

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wallyosu wrote:
I hate having things go to waste, so I thought I would try to do something with the figs rather than have them sit in a box for another twenty years. I may just splice all of them onto Fantasy bases to minimize conversion.

Sadly, selling HeroQuest is not really an option as a good chunk of it (cards, books, etc.) is missing.

In that case, go nuts and start converting! Though size wise they may not mix with current edition minis, they could always be put in their own unit. They match up well against early WHFB, and RT era orks in both size and style.

mikhaila wrote:You'd have one hell of a time getting them off the base without clipping off the feet, although I guess you could clip the corners and glue it to a 25mm base.

Isn't GW all about keeping a model on the base it's provided with though?

Oh my god... I had that Battle Master's game when I was a kid. I KNEW those chaos knights looked familiar when I found them again in some random bit drawer a few years back.

Another problem is that they are way too small.
They are only half the size of a terminator.

wallyosu wrote:I hate having things go to waste, so I thought I would try to do something with the figs rather than have them sit in a box for another twenty years.

I have to agree with you so strongly on this point and I love to see old minis rescued and put to good use.

My local independent games store is always filled with stuff that GW released the month before that someone has bought, assembled, half painted and then dumped and it makes me wonder where these people find the money to waste!

Another thing that I never understand is the hating that goes on for the minis of yesteryear.

Whenever someone posts on the subject of minis from the 90s, you always get someone who pops in just to comment that they think the stuff being made at the time was pants compared to the modern sculpts.

Some of us think that they have a charm and retro value despite the lack of detail.