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This is my army i dont like fatweaver i like 4 heralds list better and i like to saturate my enemy with units in key point and this army can do turn too assault well

1 herald tzeench with bolt /master sorcery / chariot
tactis: He just flys around opening rhinos for me or hits thigs like longs fags at range he is pretty tought to take down
so you can say he is just harassment

1 herald of slaanesh /unholy fight /soporific musk/ transfixing gaze/chariot
tactis: He also goes for things in the pack field to stop shooting ,he can also add to combat if needed bouncing around where i need him the most and locking units who need my stronger units to deal with and can also destroy vehicles if needed

1 herald of khorne with collar/ fury/ chariot
tactics: cheap mini monstrous creature he useally follows the crusher behind to bail them from walkers and to get a cover i find that his presence makes enemys spit fire into him and the crushers or he my ace when its comes to grey knights .

masque
tactics: this guys just makes things come to my anchor so they get smashed up or puts them in a nice little pile so they get templed or pushes units away so i get to pick my battles

troops.

2x5 plaguebeares of nurgle
tactics: cheap durable objective holders useally holding the objectives on my side

3x5 horrors of tzeench /3bolts /one has the changeling
tactics : support fire gives me bolts but can also help add wounds on units not in tanks

10 bloodletters of khorne
tactics i just added this unit cause with allthe feel no pain going around this guys just hide behind the crushers line and get a cover save and can put out damage with crushers in front alongside a herald of khorne this unit gets ignored but if shot at its ok with me .useally if this unit doesnt die iv won

elites.

2x 6 fiends /unholy might
tactics : these guys are there to fill gaps where needed i might land them to the side of crushers i might land them to the flank all together so the enemy is force to deal with them or the crushers .I might land some behind just enought so they get cover .these guys can almost kill anything in combat so they do alot of work in any deamon army

8 blood crusher full comand so all upgrades
tactics : this is my anchor this unit lands mid to close to the enemy depending on the enemy and runs spreding out in a line giving a sheild to most of my army in the form of a cover save going directly towards the enemys neck reason why this unit is so big

fast attack :

2x5 seekers of slaanesh with t .gaze
tactics : they roll with the slaanesh hearald supporting her or if in second wave land to protect my back filed ojective holders .this little girls useally just hunt down cripple units in the enemy or stop units who can put out alot of fire

heavy support

2 souldgriders all upgrades
tactics: need something that can deal with armor 14 and need something that scares multi wound models .I like the streaght ten gun even if its a 50/0 chance if i miss i just charge it if im dropping pile plates im in the backfield .there my jack of all trades unit and useally place the two horros units in front of them to prevent meta guns from getting two twice for pen.

1 nurgle prince /daemonic flight/ iron hide/ cloud of flies /noxious touch
tactics : this is big daddy he just concern with smashing stuff for some reason he doesnt like dying i got him for my birthday as a gif to myself and well i guess he is blessed by the chaos gods cause he loves not dying

well this is my list any advice would be awesome i have a very big collection of deamons so nothing is set in stone . dont have a third grinder and dont have 6 more fiends



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anyone? i need to know my weakness or any critique anyone might have

As popular as the GK internet spam lists are at the moment I kinda think showing up with daemons is suicidal.

Not to be rude but that wasnt much help. im aware of grey knights being the flavor of the month and am not to worry at the end of the day they just another power armor army with some new toys

Given the number of specialized minis, few months the codex has been out and tendency to play a more traditional army, the likelyhood of someone playing GKs AND pulling your name is pretty rare. I'm playing demons and have no fear of running into one. There are several armies out there that can hand me my hat, GK may just be another one for the list. (Eldar usually and DE if they play it right can be really bad) The way to kill demons is stand back and shoot and when the demons get close, move quickly away. So why play em? Demons are fun as heck and if you play em right, you can wipe the average army. As for the OP's list, soulgrinders are an iffy call. One is ok but two is really pushing it. If you can add more demonprinces with wings, they rock. I really question the seekers. They don't really do a lot. If you are looking for some more armor kill, always an issue with demons, take screemers. Also, really consider not taking EVERY upgrade. that's usually a big points sink. and my personal favorite with demons is winds of chaos. throw one of these templates over a unit and watch them disappear. It's a 50-50 shot per template but I run around with 7-9 in an army. It chews up marines easily and can be fitted to a tzeentch herald or DP.

(I'll leave this here for you to mull over again deamonwithin )

I generally prefer FateFiend, I feel you get more bang for your buck.

Something along the lines of:

1. Fateweaver - 333pts.

2. Herald of Tzeentch - 110pts.
w/ Chariot, We are Legion, Master of Sorcery, Bolt of Tzeentch.

3. Herald of Tzeentch - 110pts.
w/ Chariot, We are Legion, Master of Sorcery, Bolt of Tzeentch.

4. 6 Fiends - 190pts.
w/ Unholy Might

5. 6 Fiends - 190pts.
w/ Unholy Might

6. 6 Fiends - 190pts.
w/ Unholy Might

7. 5 Plaguebearers - 100pts.
w/ Chaos icon

8. 5 Plague Bearers - 100pts.
w/ Chaos Icon

9. 5 Plague Bearers - 100pts.
w/ Chaos Icon

10. 10 Horrors - 210pts.
w/ Bolt of Tzeentch, Chaos Icon, Changeling

11. 10 Horrors - 205pts.
w/ Bolt of Tzeentch, Chaos Icon

12. Daemon Prince - 220pts.
w/ Flight, Might, Mark of Nurgle, Noxious Touch, Daemonic Gaze

13. Daemon Prince - 220pts.
w/ Flight, Might, Mark of Nurgle, Noxious Touch, Daemonic Gaze

14. Daemon Prince - 220pts.
w/ Flight, Might, Mark of Nurgle, Noxious Touch, Daemonic Gaze

Total = 2498pts.

I've used this a couple of times and it's performed quite well. One thing you must be careful of is charging the fiends outside of FateWeaver's bubble. Also, Just make sure that everything but the Plaguebearers (and possibly the horrors) are within Fateweaver's bubble to make sure you get those re-rolls. You could also drop the Icons if you want for some other goodies like Iron Hide on those princes? Up to you,

Good luck,

Iranna.

ok im thinking drop the seekers and one unit of bolt horrors and the t.gaze from the sheherald and add two five units of screamers ,daemonic gaze on both my daemon prince and shehearald and two horrors to unit with changeling and two nurgle two the five man (for the missing traitor here is where he will tag along


so the list now looks like

1 tzeench herald with what was listed above
1 slaanesh herald with what was listed about just remove t. gaze and add damonic gaze
1 khorne heral same as above
1 masque

troops
5 plague bearers
7 plague bearers
5 horros / bolt
7 horros /bolt / chageling
10 bloodletters

elietes
6 fiends /unholy might
6 fiends /unholy might
8 crusher all upgrades

fast attack
2x 5 screamers

heavy support

1 nurgle prince same as above just add damonic gaze
2 soulgrinders all upgrades

2479 points so have very few points left

Hey Daemonwithin,

Nice that you're taking Daemons to 'Ard Boys. I understand you don't want Fateweaver, so I'm not going to suggest it in the list I suggest below. Thing is, IMO Daemons don't scale that well. At 2k points you've allready filled your HQ, Elites and Heavy. 500 points more doesn't add that much more killingpower. You have to get your damage from the somewhat lesser Troops and FA options (compared to HQ, Elites and Heavy-slots).

In your list I think the Khorne Herald and The Masque add too little. The Screamers IMO don't really have a place in 2500 points. They're better replaced by Seekers, or my preference: Hounds.

Keeping in line with your list I'd suggest something like the following:

110 Tzeentch Herald, Chariot, Bolt, Legion, MoS
110 Tzeentch Herald, Chariot, Bolt, Legion, MoS
130 The Blue Scribes (you'll still have Pavane and gain an additional Bolt, Boon or Breath, as an IC it can hide in a squad)
95 Slaanesh Herald, Chariot, Might, Gaze, Musk

190 6 Fiends, Might
190 6 Fiends, Might
360 8 Bloodcrushers, Fury, Icon, Instrument

75 5 Plaguebearers
100 5 Horrors, Bolt, Changeling
95 5 Horrors, Bolt
128 8 Bloodletters
182 13 Daemonettes of Slaanesh

150 10 Flesh Hounds of Khorne

185 Soulgrinder, Tongue, Phlegm
185 Soulgrinder, Tongue, Phlegm
215 Daemon Prince, MoN, IH, Flight, CoF, Noxious Touch

2500

Still, as I said, I think Daemons don't scale that well. That's why Fateweaver becomes increasingly good at high point battles. This list, good as it is, might not cut it competatively. Switching to Fateweaver or trying something surprising like 2 KoS, 18 Fiends, 72 Daemonettes and 30 Seekers might be better.

Good luck! And write us a battlereport if you will.

Cilithan

cilithan : thank you for your advice

all others: anyone who posted thank you

iv thought this hard and the heralds i really dont wanna change at all iv made models to represent my family lol so i feel like these models wont let me down and they havent

now for my final list :

1 herald of tzeench aka lord sinik "He my cousin "
-chariot
-bolt
-legion
-master of socery

1 herald of khorne aka jugga dave the beast " my brother "
-fury
-blessing of the blood god
-death strike
-chariot

1 herald of slaanesh aka evee the screeming banshe " little sis "
-soporific musk
-daemonic gaze
-unholy might
- chariot

1 masque aka wrath the tactition " my other bro "

troops

2x 5 blood letters

2x 5 plague bearers/icon

6 horrors /bolt/chageling aka poopy the sweet heart "MY girlfriend who will be coming with me to this tourny i always joke that when the power goes of that its her walking to the enemy and politely asking them not to shoot us and sence she such a sweetheart and no one would harm her lol it works

7 plague bearers /icon

elietes

7 blood crushers with all upgrades

2x6 fiends /unholy might

fast attacks

2x 5 screamers

heavy suport

2 soulgriders
- tounge
- phlegm

1 nurgle daemon prince aka Big daddy playboy lol "thats me "
- daemonic flight
-iron hide
-mark of nurgle
-cloud of flies
-noxious touch
-daemonic gaze


well there i think the final draft with my little sence of humor in it any last comments will be welcomed and helpful

just for anyone who wished me luck on ard boys i took second with two massacers and a minor victory got all points on my first two and on the last round i would of gotten another massacer but the guy i played kinda cheated me on the first turn assaulting way to far with his land rather full of lighting claws with furious charge and re rolls whiping out my 7 crushers before the hit and after every movement of his felt like he was moving an inch more i called him on it a couple of time then just got annoyed and beat his face with my army


army i took was my deamons :

the four heralds
all did there job and worked well

i ended up going wit 3x3 units of screamers and it was easy to hide and was funny when people would try and tank shock threw them or wasted shot on them so i liked them

my troops where
2x5 plague /icon
i didnt use there icon once lol

2x5 bloodletters i liked this guys even two of them can wipe 5 man space marines witch they did alot of

1 unit of horros of 8 /bolt/changelin
funny enought forgot to use chageling all threw out the tourney but the unit worked shooting down small units i didnt wanna waste other stuff on taking down

1unit of 7 plague i like this unit they could hold objectives but also can learned that the can help combat out if they need too

my elites where 7 crushers where awesome didnt ever have a proplem landing them and they added punch where i needed them worked out exactly like i had planned a shield for the rest of my army

2x6 fiends they did ok but i wouldnt remove them just for the sole reason that they are fast and caught things that needed to be caught

heavys my two soulgriders both survived all three games being the mvp of my army they killed liked 50 terminators threw out the whole toury doing whta i expected coming down using there blast or tounge then moving towards something too assault it

and for the nurgle prince this guy just wouldnt die lol he took down 5 thunder hammer shield termis not cuase i charge but my oppont charge me out of a land raider but he just went threw the unit they went over and keep killing threw the tourny

was a fun expirence and got me two boxes of chaos hound who will be turned into my fleshhounds wooo