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alright i looked around, didnt find much to my liking, my friends all want to cap the game at 1000 points, im new to VC so i wanted to know if anyone wanted to help me build the best army with what i have?! it would be greatly appreciated
lords can only be 25% of army value, also heroes too, and no proxies


ill just name what i got to make it easier!

Vlad Von Carstein
Mannfred Von Carstein
one winged Vampire lord
Isabella Von carstein
Necromancer
Black coach
corpse cart
30 crypt ghouls
20 zombies
10 skellies
10 grave guards
10 dire wolfs

any help would be grealty appreciated!!

Well I can give you a few pointers if you like, the only thing I see being a small issue is the lack of models (troop count wise)
Basically as for core, zombies are a nono they are to be raised in game not bought in the list.
Skellies are sub par they make for decent bunkers and banner holders (vs regen or blood and glory scenario)
Ghouls are cream of the crop T4 makes them last long 2 poisoned attacks each is icing on the cake!

I am a big fan of the corpse cart and it's ASF bubble it's great!

Black coach can range anywhere from devastating to a bit of a point sink due to the cost and potential uselessness if it doesn't absorb enough power dice.

As for your charCters I'd generally always try to make room for a lord level vampire because the stat line is just flat out more reliable n you can still make him a half decent caster (either dark acolyte and summon ghouls or forbidden lore with 10 points to spare)

Dire wolvs can always be handy whether IRS warms June hunting redirecting or my of that kinda stuff.

Grave gaurd are awesome although I think you need a few more to make them worth it even at this point level as they will justget gak to peices,

That's what I see off the top of my head hope this helps

Cheers
Mike


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Dire wolves: warmachine hunting****
stupid iPhones auto correcting lol

i see where your heading, so if i was to get more units i would have to fork money on grave guards?

what about the necro? and we cannot have a unit worth more then 25% of army, so 250 is max amount for a lord or hero, any buff suggestions? im probably going to go with one winged vampire, thinking of getting konrad von Carstien, but his stupidity/frenzy test could become bothersome..

Well for gravgaurd toil need more... But don't be afraid to do some conversions simply getting chaos warriors and fashioning skulls instead of helmets and maybe skeletal parts would make cool models! (plus you get more models in the warriors box :p)

Honestly as far as vampires go the player built characters generally produce A LOT more milage than the special characters

At 1000 points it's going to be a little difficult to produce a combat lord with only 45 points but with 45 you can still get a half decent caster, personally I go with either forbidden lore or make him a lvl 3 wiz with dark acolyte and summon ghouls

This way your lord isn't easily killed and he can still provide good support casting on the other hand you could also go with crown of commandment and have your ghouls fighting at ws 7 too

Basically at this point level making the points for you vamp to be a lord is worth it for a few reasons he can still be a decent support guy in more than one way and he is still durable at T5 W3 and he is still rockin high ws s And 4 attacks so he can still dish it out at least a little bit in combat right

My 2 cents anyways


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Lore of light on vampires is awesome (initiative ws 10 on a unit or, double movement asf and an additional attack?!) yes please

I would take the winged vamp as a vampire lord for all the reasons the gentleman with the awesome picture stated. I would probably err towards buying him armor vs improving his casting. The Hauberk with a 4+ 5++ from the book would probably be my preference. I would then probably take a Wight King as BSB and one Necromancer. The Necro can go in a unit of skeletons (probably around 20), the vampire can go with the Ghouls (20), and I would put the BSB with about 20 Grave Guard. I like the coach and the cart, but I don't think you can fit them in at 1k.

With the suggestions I gave here, you are looking at around 1k. It requires one additional box of skeletons, and one extra box of GG. You can probably convert your Wight King BSB out of the banner bearer from the second box of GG.

If you really can't get anything else, then I recommend putting your GG in the back of the skeleton unit for a block of 20 of them. This frees up points for the coach (because you need something to put the hurt on), and probably enough left over for your dire wolves.

i just bought 20 more grave guards...any
suggestions?

thats definately a solid start! the bigger games you get into the moer grave gaurd you'll want anyways, advice for next purchase id fill out your core and basically see what you can get your hands on for ghouls, they are great and eventually youll need/want TONS of em lol

as for tactics/list wise: id make a list with some of the advice given above.. fill out your special with a healthy unit of your new gravegaurd and from there you can get a few critiques to help improve the army you will be feilding

Cheers
Mike

alright, i tried to do this, let me know if its possible, bare in mind i have to keep the 1000 pts striclty, so here goes

Vampire lord 205(45 pts left to buff him)

Mannfred the acolyte 185pts (65 pts to buff him)

30 grave guards (incuding warrior,bearer,musician) 390pts

10 dre wolves 80pts

all in all i'm at 970pts, now how do i make it so my vampires can summon ghouls and zombies? i might need help with that !
thanks all !
remember i'm a noob with VC so every detail helps!

Keep in mind you still need your core requirements filled out. At 1000 points I would probably run 25 GG. I would probably drop the Vampire Lord as well and use those points for skeletons or Ghouls. 31 Ghouls with a unit champion is 256 points, which fills your requirement. Other than that, it looks pretty good.

spyguyyoda wrote:Keep in mind you still need your core requirements filled out. At 1000 points I would probably run 25 GG. I would probably drop the Vampire Lord as well and use those points for skeletons or Ghouls. 31 Ghouls with a unit champion is 256 points, which fills your requirement. Other than that, it looks pretty good.

ok so with mannfred the acolyte i dont really need a vampire lord? sounds good, but i thought i could raise the ghouls instead and not worry about including them in my army value?

You can raise ghouls, but in order to do so you have to have a unit of ghouls to start with. All of the rules in the BRB about army selection still apply. The only difference is that you do need a Vampire to lead them, and special character Vampires count. So Mannfred will do the trick.

Edit: I think you might be thinking of Zombies where you can summon new units. Summoned up Ghouls have to have a unit to go into.

spyguyyoda wrote:You can raise ghouls, but in order to do so you have to have a unit of ghouls to start with. All of the rules in the BRB about army selection still apply. The only difference is that you do need a Vampire to lead them, and special character Vampires count. So Mannfred will do the trick.

Edit: I think you might be thinking of Zombies where you can summon new units. Summoned up Ghouls have to have a unit to go into.

yeah your right, so i guess i have to re-write my core and rest of army!! lol





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is my cc worht it? i included it with the bell

You are also required a few things. A minimum of 3 units, not sure if the Vampire Lord and Manfred are suppose to be in with the grave guard, if so that leaves 2 units. Also you need at least 25% of your army to be core.

Alright, i cooked up two army set lists under 1000 pts, let me know what you guys think and if i should do something different!

Heroes -Vampire 100pts
-Flayed Hauberk 25pts
-helm of commandment 30pts
-sword of kings 25pts

Necromancer -spectre de noirot 25pts (plus 15 for extra level) 95pts

core - 10 skeletons full command plus banner of the dead legion (double strength) 145pts

-crypt ghouls + ghast 24X8(+8) 200pts

special - 25 grave guards with great weapon + full command =355ptts


comes up to 990pts



and for my second 1000 points i tried to mix it up a little


Vampire lord - 205 pts + helm of commandment +30 = 235pts

heroes - Konrad von Carstien 145pts+helm of commandment +30 = 175pts

core= crypt ghouls 18 X 8=144+8 for ghast =152pts

skeletons warriors 10X8+full command = 100+banner of the dead legion +25 =125pts

special= 18 Grave guards + full command + great weapons =264 +banner of the barrows +45pts = 309pts

total = 996 pts




so which army would be most devestating? i'm also getting a cairn and a banshee, would be good to include them!

A couple of errors:

Helm of Commandment (or any magic item) can only be taken once per list.

Banner of the Dead Legion has been removed by the FAQ. It no longer exists (it doesn't do what you think any way, its not STR x2).

blue loki wrote:A couple of errors:

Helm of Commandment (or any magic item) can only be taken once per list.

Banner of the Dead Legion has been removed by the FAQ. It no longer exists (it doesn't do what you think any way, its not STR x2).

yeah i red the rules book and saw what you said about the helm of comandment, but the banner, where could i see this?
does it say so in the 8th ed rulebook ? cause if not, its all good in my neighborhood!! lol

@ 1000 points you should only run 1 lord/ hero character as you lose the much needed troops and the power dice you do have will be limited.... i would drop the lord to a regular vampire and also drop the special character in place of a much more fun vargulf to get some flank charges.

20 grave guard with a banner of barrows is fine.... you can then just drop the helm of commandment and just give him some armor.

i still cant tell weither to run ghouls for the extra attacks being poison or a skeleton squad for the extra banner

darthtd wrote:

blue loki wrote:A couple of errors:

Helm of Commandment (or any magic item) can only be taken once per list.

Banner of the Dead Legion has been removed by the FAQ. It no longer exists (it doesn't do what you think any way, its not STR x2).

yeah i red the rules book and saw what you said about the helm of comandment, but the banner, where could i see this?
does it say so in the 8th ed rulebook ? cause if not, its all good in my neighborhood!! lol

Its in the current VC FAQ, v1.4. http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1780262a_FAQ_VampireCounts_V1_4.pdf

What the Banner of the Dead Legion used to do was to double Unit Strength, not model STR characteristics, for combat resolution purposes in the previous edition (a unit of 20 models would count as having 40 models).
Combat Resolution does not use this mechanic anymore, so the banner has no use.
The banner does not increase the STR characteristic of skeletons from 3 to 6 (though that would be epic if it did).

blue loki wrote:

darthtd wrote:

blue loki wrote:A couple of errors:

Helm of Commandment (or any magic item) can only be taken once per list.

Banner of the Dead Legion has been removed by the FAQ. It no longer exists (it doesn't do what you think any way, its not STR x2).

yeah i red the rules book and saw what you said about the helm of comandment, but the banner, where could i see this?
does it say so in the 8th ed rulebook ? cause if not, its all good in my neighborhood!! lol

Its in the current VC FAQ, v1.4. http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1780262a_FAQ_VampireCounts_V1_4.pdf

What the Banner of the Dead Legion used to do was to double Unit Strength, not model STR characteristics, for combat resolution purposes in the previous edition (a unit of 20 models would count as having 40 models).
Combat Resolution does not use this mechanic anymore, so the banner has no use.
The banner does not increase the STR characteristic of skeletons from 3 to 6 (though that would be epic if it did).

Yeah i used it in that manner, my friends found it extremly OP lol, oh well the skellies will have no more use for me, not ten of em lol