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My eldar friend has runes of warding and my librarian rolled 3D6 and rolled a 1 a 1 and a 2, does the double 1's hurt my librarian or not because technically he rolled a 4?

you rolled snake eyes and a 2

he suffers from perils of the warp

kNyne83 wrote:My eldar friend has runes of warding and my librarian rolled 3D6 and rolled a 1 a 1 and a 2, does the double 1's hurt my librarian or not because technically he rolled a 4?

I believe the runes of warding rules clarify how this works, but simply put, you roll 3d6 and any case of double 1's or double 6's results in Perils of the Warp.

I would vote yes

It Perils doesnt say if you roll a 2
It says if you roll a 1, 1. Which you did

You rolled a double one. You ALSO happened to roll a 2, but that doesnt matter

Think about it this way: if you rolled a triple one, would you try to claim it wasnt also a double one?

I was under the impression that Runes of warding only cause a perils if the total was 12 or greater? To me that means that it replaces the normal perils requirement of double 1's or double 6's with anything 12 or higher.

What makes me think it works this way is that you didn't actually roll double 1's, you rolled two 1's and a 2. Similar to the ruling about the Wolf Banner for Space wolves, they don't get to reroll 1's on a leadership check because you take the aggregate of the rolls, not individual parts of it. Thus there is no way a combination of three dice could be considered double 1's.

I may be reading too far into it but I would say you don't perils in that situation.

Tracer Bullet wrote:I was under the impression that Runes of warding only cause a perils if the total was 12 or greater? To me that means that it replaces the normal perils requirement of double 1's or double 6's with anything 12 or higher.

What makes me think it works this way is that you didn't actually roll double 1's, you rolled two 1's and a 2. Similar to the ruling about the Wolf Banner for Space wolves, they don't get to reroll 1's on a leadership check because you take the aggregate of the rolls, not individual parts of it. Thus there is no way a combination of three dice could be considered double 1's.

I may be reading too far into it but I would say you don't perils in that situation.

pretty sure thats "shadow in the warp" IIRC

Tracer Bullet wrote:I was under the impression that Runes of warding only cause a perils if the total was 12 or greater? To me that means that it replaces the normal perils requirement of double 1's or double 6's with anything 12 or higher.

What makes me think it works this way is that you didn't actually roll double 1's, you rolled two 1's and a 2. Similar to the ruling about the Wolf Banner for Space wolves, they don't get to reroll 1's on a leadership check because you take the aggregate of the rolls, not individual parts of it. Thus there is no way a combination of three dice could be considered double 1's.

I may be reading too far into it but I would say you don't perils in that situation.

yeah, in his codex it says that i suffer a perils if i roll a twelve or higher meaning that it replaces the regular rule

The Eldar FAQ describes Runes of Witnessing vs Runes of Warding and gives this answer:

Q. How do the Runes of Witnessing in one Eldar army
work against the Runes of Warding in another army?
A. Proceed as follows: when the Farseer attempts to
use a psychic power, roll 3D6. Consider the two lowest
results for the purposes of passing the test (ignoring
the highest result). Then, if the total of the 3D6 was 12
or more, the Farseer suffers a Perils of the Warp attack
(do not do this if the Farseer has already suffered such
an attack because of the lowest two results being a
double 1 or double 6).

I bolded the important bit, because it pretty much states that the double 1 and double 6 rolls for a psychic test still apply.

Avatar 720 wrote:The Eldar FAQ describes Runes of Witnessing vs Runes of Warding and gives this answer:

Q. How do the Runes of Witnessing in one Eldar army
work against the Runes of Warding in another army?
A. Proceed as follows: when the Farseer attempts to
use a psychic power, roll 3D6. Consider the two lowest
results for the purposes of passing the test (ignoring
the highest result). Then, if the total of the 3D6 was 12
or more, the Farseer suffers a Perils of the Warp attack
(do not do this if the Farseer has already suffered such
an attack because of the lowest two results being a
double 1 or double 6).

I bolded the important bit, because it pretty much states that the double 1 and double 6 rolls for a psychic test still apply.

I believe that circumstance is a bit different from the OP's so I'm not sure it would apply. The Runes of Witnessing allow a Farseer to roll 3d6 and take the two lowest for their psychic test IIRC. In that situation you're not using the Runes of Warding rolling instructions, you're just using the regular one with where 1's and 6's are perils. In that case the Farseer is actually only rolling two dice, the third is just a safety net of sorts. For someone who doesn't get to choose the two lowest (Librarian) they just use the Runes of Warding rules which only specify Perils on a 12 or higher. The part in the FAQ about not doing that second part if they've already had a Perils is because you can't have two Perils of the Warp check off of one casting.

You are using the RoWarding instructions, please note where it says "Then, if the total of the 3D6 was 12
or more, the Farseer suffers a Perils of the Warp attack" before the bolded section; that is part of RoWarding; so in this situation, you are using both.

If both can be used here, why not with the Librarian? RoWitnessing has no effect on Perils whatsoever, so i'd say the two situations are easily comparable.

Nowhere does RoWarding state you ignore any other effects of Psychic Tests, and this goes to further show that you would apply both the normal effects of taking a psychic test, and the one from RoWarding.

The only reason that RoWarding states 12 and above is because a regular psychic test cannot exceed 12, and since with RoWarding, you can reach a maximum of 18, it was necessary to clarify how Perils would work in that circumstance.

Additional rules do not remove previous rules unless they contradict