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Ok ok. I am starting up a Blood Angels Army and I am going to use Death Company. Please don't be rash and tell me they aren't worth it. I'll consider that as spam. For 20 points a model their fine, WS 5 and 2 A. With a Chaplain mounted on a rhino, they can get a good punch at those pesky Grey Knights! Don't worry about rage, use common sense, (rhino).But I am not sure what to equip them with all together. I am going to have about ten to start out with, later i'll get a rhino and the chaplain, but I'm not sure if I should equip them with bolt guns, or other weapons. For starting out an army I need good "core fire power", so I assume giving them bolt guns. But on the other hand, aren't they for close combat? As in strategy tactics, what do you think, giving them bolt guns and just assault like that? or give them close combat weapons. You decide? or maybe jump packs, Games Workshop makes sure point costs are equal, (Math Hammer), and a lot of it is just synergy too. Take that into consideration before rashonal comments.

-Thanks

PS: Lay off the "I hate Death Company and they stink !" Stuff, isn't Dakka Dakka supposed to be encouraging, and fun? Help the community.

I love death company, me personally i only give bolt guns to those wielding hammers since they wouldn't get the extra attack from 2 close combat weapons.

My BA army is a DC themed army so i have Lemartes and Astorath, lots of fun.

Nice! On another pst everybody disagreed on Death Company so I assumed that they would on this post to. I hope not. And What do you mean by "those welding hammers"? Do you Mean the Death Company?

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:Nice! On another pst everybody disagreed on Death Company so I assumed that they would on this post to. I hope not. And What do you mean by "those welding hammers"? Do you Mean the Death Company?

Yes the DC wielding Thunder Hammers.

And you shouldn't always listen to what people say about DC its mostly dribble. Play what you like its your army, I think they are great fun.

Ok. Thats good. For a reason I chose their advice over my own thoughts because i'm a bit of a newbie still, haven't fully come come across a big match or as many games. I only wan't to get better and have fun in the WarHammer 40k universe.

I've been running DC for a while now and this is how i run them. Squad of 7, Two power weapons and a p fist. depending on the if you have spare points, give the squad an infernus pistol. The 7 man squad packs a nice punch and will kill about most anything. The cost of the squad and a rhino comes out to 225 and add the pistol, 240. Its a solid melee unit at a low cost. I wouldn't invest too many points into the squad because usually the get counter charged with power weapons or shot to death with AP3 or less guns. I will be using the unit for ard boyz and used it at adepticon. At the team tourny for adepticon, we took in the top ten and my experience with the squad, they made their points back in almost everygame or the were a pain to deal with.

Thats great! 7 is also my favorite number too. Thats awesome! But why do you use 7? is there a mathematical explanation or something? Ok I am going to try a squad of something like 7 but every other squad is going to either be bolt gunned, or armored with close combat weapons. Hows that?

Buy 30 of them give them all Jumpacks and dual wield Thunder hammers for extra baddassery.

On a serious note I think I said this in your last thread about BA help, but I will say it again.

Don't listen to people when they say not worth it do to rage and that your enemy will bait them. If your a good commander this will not be able to happen. I prefer a five man squad, with jump packs, two power weapons, and a powerfist/thunder hammer, then get them a chaplain/reclusiarch/Astorath depending on your points all inside a storm raven. I prefer the Raven over a rhino because you can assault out of it, and Jumpacks because it can now catch whatever is "Baiting" them and kill it then move on. It could also be done with a landraider if that fits your army list better, it is also possible then to beef up their numbers.

Also I ordered Astorath today does he perform well shogoth?

My sense of it is that they work best in a Stormraven list. I wouldn't give them Jump Packs, as it almost doubles their cost. 20 points for a WS5 2 attack Marine with FC and FNP is pretty bitchin. 35 points for the same profile, albeit with better mobility, really isn't. The Stormraven is the ideal ride as it can also carry a DC Dread, and you can charge out of it. A Rhino or Razorback has the major problem that you can't assault the turn they get out unless it hasn't moved.

The most important thing of all is that you should magnetize them, especially the backpacks. It's really easy to do, and might save you a lot of grief later if you realize you hate them with Jump Packs, or hate them without them.

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:they can get a good punch at those pesky Grey Knights! Don't worry about rage, use common sense, (rhino).

PS: Lay off the "I hate Death Company and they stink !" Stuff, isn't Dakka Dakka supposed to be encouraging, and fun? Help the community.

1) GK aren't the bees knees.
2) Common sense? You seem to lack it. See in your sig you have "be polite", yet you literally ignore other people trying to communicate ideas and advice across to you. Which is mother ing impolite.
3) Yes it is meant to be encouraging. And I'm sure I could whoop most people with say the old DE before the new codex. Most people would say "woah now. Theres pretty much only one good build. They have a steep learning curve. Are you sure?". Now this can be taken as "I hate DE they stink and suck!" or I could READ IT FOR WHAT IT IS.

If you really want to do DC? Storm raven or Land raider. You can assault out of them, and they are assault troops. Anti tank melee weapons (fists, T-hammers, chainfists etc) are expensive- take a handful and give everyone else P-weapons or claws to save points.

Always be polite on Dakka Dakka! I don't wan't to be rash on this post, so I'll consider that as spam. I just wan't to have fun and be a help to Dakka Dakka's Community to one day successfully become a moderator.

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:Always be polite on Dakka Dakka!

Indeed, always be polite! You asked us, ze internet public, for an opinion! You could at least READ it, the polite thing to do when someone provides their answer for the question you asked, as if you went "THATS JUST SPAM NOT LISTENING" to my face after asking me a question... well we'd have some issues . You can't become a moderator mate if you simply ignore it when people say things you don't like! It isn't part of being a moderator to stick ya fingers in your ears and go "LA LA LA LA NOT LISTENING".

DC rock I used to use them without jump packs. My transports would help in blocking line of sight. I loaded them out in two squads of ten. One with infernus pistol/ccw, boltgun/fist, boltgun/hammer, boltgun/relicblade, plasma pistol/ccw the other 5 have boltgun/ccw. The other squad just has boltguns.

Being polite - it really isn't hard.

Can everyone in this thread please give it a shot?

Thanks!

Toss them in a Raider in higher point games, In lower games stick to basic troops imo

Nicholas wrote:
Also I ordered Astorath today does he perform well shogoth?

Of course he isn't considered the competitive pick, but with a roll of 1,2,3 of activating red rage and allowing you to bring as many units of DC you like he's great.

My army list of around 2k pts:

Astorath the Grim

3x 5 man scout squads (taking objectives)
2x 10 man squads of DC (lemartes in one squad, Astorath in the other)
2x DC dreads
2x storm raven gunship (for DC squads and dreads)

thats it so far, It isn't perfect but its fun.

I personally run mine as a mobile strike force. I run 5 with a thunder hammer, and a chaplain in a razorback, usually with a twin-linked heavy flamer for free. they race up, blast the enemy with a torrent of fire, and assault with devestating effect. plus, it's cheap as dirt.

Winthster wrote:I personally run mine as a mobile strike force. I run 5 with a thunder hammer, and a chaplain in a razorback, usually with a twin-linked heavy flamer for free. they race up, blast the enemy with a torrent of fire, and assault with devestating effect. plus, it's cheap as dirt.

isn't that risky considering razorbacks aren't assault vehicle?

Imagine this. Astorath the Grim, and 29 jump pack infantry in his squad, with power weapons and close combat weapons. How awesome would that be? Furious charge so 129 attacks of WS5, I5 and S5? Not only that you have Feel No Pain and jump packs!!! It's an army itself!

I always use DC there great. When i started out with them i had 5 in a rhino and because the rhinos of the blood angels are fast, I just moved them into position to kill the opponents supporting infantry such as devastators. The only thing is that the enemy wont let you get there easily.

Thats awesome! I might do that but, I would use a Razorback.

I don't advise razorback or rhino, they are too unreliable and you can't even assault out of them. Nine with chaplain in rhino may work, but with a razorback you'd have to get out then get shot and those five guys aren't going to survive long out of combat. If you want them to be effective use a stormraven or landraider, depending on the layout of your army.

I would go with a Storm Raven, I could take Dreadnought too.

Which kinda dread?

My advice would be to put a normal dread in with the Death Company as you don't want them to charge the same unit it would be a waste. Also if you use a storm raven I recommend using two of them.

Glad to find another noble soul who supports Death Company!! I absolutely love my boyz in black armor. Personally, I get a 5-man squad with Lemartes attached. I give them all jump packs, one Thunderhammer and one powersword. After that, I give them a pimped-out ride in the form of Stormraven Gunship. I sometimes even attach the Death Company Dreadnought on the Gunship. I know, its alot of points for not being effective and all that but.... there's nothing like the look on your opponent's face when a Stormraven Gunship filled with Death Company appears out of nowhere right infront of his guys...

I think you should have a DC dread it will be a risk but if you dont want him to charge the same unt as the DC and you want him some were else dont disembark him. But almost any infantry you charge him into will die, I assure you.

Why not 12 men? you should take the extra 6 man slots to get full on action.

Lord of Baal wrote:Why not 12 men? you should take the extra 6 man slots to get full on action.

Jump Pack models count as two in a stormraven.

I have very little experience but i love the death company and they have served me well, I Just take 5 death company with a thunder hammer and without jump packs. I also put in death company Tycho and put them in a razorback. Its a very tough unit and pretty cheap.