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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/12 22:33:41
Subject: Has anyone read Nightbringer?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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As the title says, Trying to find something to read, and I was thinking of picking it up. Thoughts?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/12 22:51:29
Subject: Has anyone read Nightbringer?
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Ancient Ultramarine Venerable Dreadnought
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Yes. It's a very good book, along with the rest of the Ultramarines Series by Graham McNeill.
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Iron Warriors 442nd Grand Battalion: 10k points |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/12 22:57:12
Subject: Has anyone read Nightbringer?
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Shunting Grey Knight Interceptor
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I've read it (got the ebook free @ black library last nov I think it was?), I found it slow in places but overall a very good book. Personally I prefer "Blood ravens: the dawn of war omnibus"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/13 05:55:59
Subject: Has anyone read Nightbringer?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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It's not bad, though as it was written before the Necron codex was released there are a few irregularities with the Nightbringer's actual abilities.
It deals more with Marines vs Dark Eldar (and that part is pretty good stuff  ). The Nightbringer only really makes a cameo appearance at the end
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The Viletide: Daemons of Nurgle/Deathguard: 7400 pts
Disclples of the Dragon - Ad Mech - about 2000 pts
GSC - about 2000 Pts
Rhulic Mercs - um...many...
Circle Oroboros - 300 Pts or so
Menoth - 300+ pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/13 05:58:06
Subject: Has anyone read Nightbringer?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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Ascalam wrote:It's not bad, though as it was written before the Necron codex was released there are a few irregularities with the Nightbringer's actual abilities.
Mind telling me about them?
Through PM if you don't want to spoil anything in this thread or anything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/13 07:29:41
Subject: Has anyone read Nightbringer?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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PM'd
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The Viletide: Daemons of Nurgle/Deathguard: 7400 pts
Disclples of the Dragon - Ad Mech - about 2000 pts
GSC - about 2000 Pts
Rhulic Mercs - um...many...
Circle Oroboros - 300 Pts or so
Menoth - 300+ pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/13 14:05:33
Subject: Has anyone read Nightbringer?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Mechanized Space Corps wrote:I've read it (got the ebook free @ black library last nov I think it was?), I found it slow in places but overall a very good book. Personally I prefer "Blood ravens: the dawn of war omnibus"
That better be Sacrasim.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/13 14:32:29
Subject: Has anyone read Nightbringer?
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Deadshot Weapon Moderati
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It's an awful, horrible, hilariously bad book. Here's some of the better reviews from amazon for ultramarines trilogy. I know you can't really rely on amazon reviews, there's some awful pap out there that rates highly on amazon (Ultramarines gets 3.5 stars!), especially within the BL range due to a comparatively young readership and high levels of fanboyism, but I can assure you these reviews I'm quoting have merit.
First of all, a little about me. I am a big fan of Black Library fiction, having ready many different series, from the fantastic Eisenhorn and Ravenor sets, through the Grey Knights, Blood Angels, Eldar Prophecy etc. etc.
I am also a fan of quality literature in general, enjoying classics such as Crime and Punishment, War and Peace, a lot of the older Discworld novels, and some great philosophy works.
Now, how this relates to this Ultramarines Omnibus is this: The Ultramarines Omnibus fails both as a piece of Warhammer 40,000 fiction, and as a piece of literature at all.
Firstly, a lot of the "fluff" of the fictional Warhammer universe is ignored. The protagonist, Uriel Ventris, we are told, is an Ultramarines Veteran Captain. He is war hardened after centuries of warfare against the horrors of the universe. Yet, time and time again, we see him showing irrational fear, explicit sensitivity, and a distinct lack of comprehension. Considering this man is a veteran captain, he rarely understands what is going on around him, being constantly "confused", "bewildered" or "paralysed with fear".
Now don't get me wrong, fear, confusion and the like are all fine sensations for a protagonist to feel... that is if they a) don't contradict with the core design of the character they represent [ie. space marines] and b) aren't contradicted by an adjective in the following line. Let me give you an example of this book, condensed into a few sentences:
"Uriel, a hardened veteran of many centuries of warfare, genetically enhanced to fight, fearless, peerless, invincible, strode forward over the trench. His second captain leaped over behind him and followed him in the charge. Suddenly an enemy jumped up in front of him, and both space marines felt paralysing bolts of fear nail them to the spot. They then proceeded to dramatically destroy the enemy. Uriel looked his Captain in the eye, leaned in close, and whispered softly.. 'I love you'".
This may look as though I am overacting, or just taking the mick, but I really can't stress enough how ridiculous this book is. The author, who I have to say has produced much finer pieces of work than this, constantly reuses the same adjective numerous times in one paragraph, the same phrase numerous times in one chapter, and the same, recycled series of events numerous times throughout the book.
So to summarise: this book is badly written, creates a "non-fluff", contradictory account of the protagonist who is whiny, thick and annoying, and yet manages to fill out a thousand pages. I honestly found myself that Uriel Ventris would just shut up and die, yet his "honourable sensitivity" prevailed time and time again, and I just got sick of it.
If you bought this book, you would probably enjoy it. You would get your kick of Ultramarines glorification, gore, and the heroes triumphing. What you will not get is an in depth exploration of characters of emotions, a rewarding and intelligent piece of literature, or an original and satisfying excursion into a fantastic fictional universe.
Buy at your own peril, but I would really recommend spending your money on the Eisenstein omnibus, and leaving this one for dead.
I kinda liked the Ultramarines...,
I did, I really did. I never quite understood what people had against them. So they were a bit inflexible and annoyingly self-righteous at times, but what of it? They're Space Marines! The God-Emperor's ultimate warriors. Not really designed to be all fluffy and cudly.
Now, however, I'm beginning to see what people have against them. If Graham McNeill's novels are really the best that can be made from all that rich background and fluff about the Ultramarines that GW has thrown at us over the years, I can see why Ultras aren't cool.... Well, no, that just can't be right.
And it isn't. The fault isn't in the material. It's in the writing. There's so much wrong with these stories that I actually don't know where to begin. The story line is full of holes, the main characters are underdeveloped and at times - most of the time really - just plain annoying, and the settings are, though often well-developed, not acceptable. Spacemarines DON'T go sightseeing in the Eye of Terror. They just DON'T.
A book entitled 'The Ultramarines' should probably be about, well, the Ultramarines and not about a couple of generic spacemarines on a chaotic romp through the space-time continuum.
Mr. McNeill, I know you can write good novels. The Ambassador Chronicles prove that. The question is: Why the "#ยค%& didn't you???
A story that has so much going against it, and I still give it two stars rather than just one. Why? Because in spite of everything, McNeill does at times show us that he CAN write. Some of the nasties, especially the Iron Warriors, in these books are just plain great. Often, I found myself wishing the bad guys would win. Sadly, I didn't even get that much satisfaction.
Ok, Nightbringer (the first full length story) was Graham McNeil's first novel, so you have to extend him some leeway I guess, but this is dross. The dialogue is appalingly clunky and so unbearably cheesy in places in actually makes you wince, plot hooks are painfully obvious, characters one-dimensional and the author also happily plagiarises album titles and scenes from movies throughout - in fact the entire plot of Nightbringer is basically a rip-off of Raiders of the Lost Ark. Its REALLY bad. Ok, it is well paced, some of the more original set-pieces are exciting, but they cannot begin to save this massively disappointing book. Reading this made me want to write a book about the Ultramarines, simply to try and salvage some of their already ravaged dignity. Things do not improve into the second and third books at all...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/14 02:41:24
Subject: Re:Has anyone read Nightbringer?
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Boosting Ultramarine Biker
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I enjoyed all of the Ultramarine novels. However, I thought that the series got progressively better as it went on, so Nightbringer, in my opinion, wasn't the best of them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/14 03:35:27
Subject: Re:Has anyone read Nightbringer?
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Blood Angel Terminator with Lightning Claws
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Nightbringer is the worst book in the Omnibus imo. Its everywhere. The main character should be Captain Ventris, but yet the Inquisitor and all of the politicians get as much "screen time" as the main character and at some times it feels like its even more time than the Ultramarines themselves. Its not a bad series, but its not amazing either. I hope you enjoy it.
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