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Trasvi wrote:

 Norn King wrote:
Slightly off on a tangent here, but banning guns (like in OZ), gives the police another reason to arrest someone. For example, the police search a place and find guns. Unless they have special circumstances, im pretty sure its a fairly serious offence.

If banning guns does nothing except this, surely its a good result?

Not the right tangent to go with against the yanks Their police force is that corrupt that it would be an issue.
If you're going to 'ban' guns outright, there also needs to be a buy-back program. No-one is endorsing suddenly making 75% of the population in violation of the law.
I don't understand why there is such terrible knowledge of gun ownership in the US. Shouldn't every single gun be registered to a single person, in the same way that a car is? It isn't that big a hassle to get the little bit of transfer-of-ownership done, and it doesn't prevent private sales.

I'm in favour of gun control to get guns out of the access of petty criminals. Organised crime will find a way to access guns, this can't really be prevented. But there should be a way to get guns away from muggers, shoplifters and street thugs; I believe ready availability of guns increases the relative power of these types of offenders. It also (hopefully) removes guns from spree killers and the like.

I think these comments on US cops being corrupt is a bit out of line, I know that at least QLD had a really bad few years with corruptiin and what not back in the day (under Joh wasn't it?) Just saying we shoulsn't be the ones slinging mud.

Trasvi wrote:

 Norn King wrote:
Slightly off on a tangent here, but banning guns (like in OZ), gives the police another reason to arrest someone. For example, the police search a place and find guns. Unless they have special circumstances, im pretty sure its a fairly serious offence.

If banning guns does nothing except this, surely its a good result?

Not the right tangent to go with against the yanks Their police force is that corrupt that it would be an issue.
If you're going to 'ban' guns outright, there also needs to be a buy-back program. No-one is endorsing suddenly making 75% of the population in violation of the law.
I don't understand why there is such terrible knowledge of gun ownership in the US. Shouldn't every single gun be registered to a single person, in the same way that a car is? It isn't that big a hassle to get the little bit of transfer-of-ownership done, and it doesn't prevent private sales.

I'm in favour of gun control to get guns out of the access of petty criminals. Organised crime will find a way to access guns, this can't really be prevented. But there should be a way to get guns away from muggers, shoplifters and street thugs; I believe ready availability of guns increases the relative power of these types of offenders. It also (hopefully) removes guns from spree killers and the like.

Car registration is simply just another name for tax. Furthermore, it's something enacted by the state, not the FedGov. Some states do have laws requiring registrations. Some don't.

And when I sell a car, I have zero obligation to check the driving record of the purchaser or even check if he/she is licensed or insured. All I need to do is sign over the title, provide a bill of sale, remove my tag and hand over the keys. It is incumbent on the purchaser to obey any registration requirements. There is no burden to me, the seller to sell my property as I wish.

New Orleans is the murder capital of America by murders per 100,000 people with 57.6 murders per, Detroit is hot on it's heels with 48.2. While Chicago has a significantly lower rate per capita (15.9) it's over all population gives it the crown for number of murders a year. To the surprise of no one, these areas have extremely high rates of gang activities. The key to reducing America's violent crime isn't the guns, it's fighting poverty, improving education and ending the war on drugs.

My Dad's perspective on all this is pretty interesting though. He grew up on the East Coast in the 60s and 70s, when the American violent crime rate was something like triple what it is now. He told my siblings and I in an email the other day "Well the statistics show that we're safer then we've ever been before, and we're certainly safer then I was when I was your age, yet if you listen to the media the streets of America are bathed in blood and the sky is about to fall. Usually when someone's making an over exaggerated fuss like that, they're trying to sell you something."

Here's an article link to Nawlins
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/13/18229963-surveillance-images-show-chaos-after-shots-fired-at-new-orleans-mothers-day-parade?lite

Shermaine Tyler, 32, was celebrating Mother’s Day just a block away from the barrage of bullets.

“Me and mom were going to the second line*. I told her I didn’t want to go because there are always shots at a second line,” Tyler told The Times-Picayune. “And the second I heard shots, I heard shots fired, we ran outside and one man fell in my lap who had been shot.”

*A second line is a kind of parade that's native to New Orleans.