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The shooter was not black.
The shooter shot without seeing a firearm or threat or verbal cues of a threat.
The shooter shot across the driver through the open window. What?

The man convicted in this case is black, of Somali descent.

 Frazzled wrote:
The shooter was not black.

You're saying this guy...

...isn't black?


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 AndrewGPaul wrote:
of Somali descent.

Not just "of Somali descent". He was actually born there.

Sorry my bad. I thought he was Sudanese.

 Frazzled wrote:
Sorry my bad. I thought he was Sudanese.

I'm pretty sure most of the people in Sudan would be qualified as black here. Just saying XD

 LordofHats wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Sorry my bad. I thought he was Sudanese.

I'm pretty sure most of the people in Sudan would be qualified as black here. Just saying XD

ok

Well, that was a predictable outcome. But he should go to jail, so it is a good outcome even if other outcomes have not been good.

Yes. The lack of justice in other areas doesn't mean he should skate, it means other people shouldn't have.

 DrNo172000 wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
At this rate I'm going to assume that US police training is third world level. As in absolutely woeful.

You'll never do it but at this rate I think you need to massively consolidate your police forces. All the gakky sheriff departments and small city forces need to be disbanded and the state police should take over. Only the largest cities should be allowed to retain their forces, and I only offer that as a compromise. Like literally cities with populations of more than 2 million. With this all done focus can be given to higher standards of training and accountability.

Problem here is that Americans culturally already have mistrust towards what they perceive as the "militarization" of police. If you centralize police forces it will cause an uproar. And yes their training is atrocious imo. If I acted the way some police do when I was in Fallujah I would have probably been court martialed and be sitting in a military jail somewhere right now.

You can have a decentralized police force and have training standarts y know?

Not Online!!! wrote:

 DrNo172000 wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
At this rate I'm going to assume that US police training is third world level. As in absolutely woeful.

You'll never do it but at this rate I think you need to massively consolidate your police forces. All the gakky sheriff departments and small city forces need to be disbanded and the state police should take over. Only the largest cities should be allowed to retain their forces, and I only offer that as a compromise. Like literally cities with populations of more than 2 million. With this all done focus can be given to higher standards of training and accountability.

Problem here is that Americans culturally already have mistrust towards what they perceive as the "militarization" of police. If you centralize police forces it will cause an uproar. And yes their training is atrocious imo. If I acted the way some police do when I was in Fallujah I would have probably been court martialed and be sitting in a military jail somewhere right now.

You can have a decentralized police force and have training standarts y know?

The problem is likely one of logistics and organisation at the large scale when trying to deal with a heavily broken up and divided system. Being so heavily broken up will increase the administrative costs significantly and there's also likely a lot more potential for pushback or local issues causing problems. Everyone will want their say and each independent unit might well not want to be "bossed around" by outside or higher up units. This is likely then further compounded when you get a change of local or national political groups, each of which could throw up huge potential barriers or changes of their own and stall things.

Heavily fragmented services typically run at higher costs for less results, the UK has this with the rail network. Sure in theory having each unit operate on its own can result in some savings, but any inter-connectivity gets far more costly and tricky.

That said I agree they can improve the training; the issue is going to be one of costs and enforcement of the new standards and changes.



I must admit that when I watch US dramas that relate to the police services its always strange to see so many different departments and units that can override others. Granted much of that is simplified for dramas (eg I doubt just fake-being FBI agents or such works as often as the writers for Supernatural would like us to believe); but that its even possible is quite surprising in itself.

 Overread wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 DrNo172000 wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
At this rate I'm going to assume that US police training is third world level. As in absolutely woeful.

You'll never do it but at this rate I think you need to massively consolidate your police forces. All the gakky sheriff departments and small city forces need to be disbanded and the state police should take over. Only the largest cities should be allowed to retain their forces, and I only offer that as a compromise. Like literally cities with populations of more than 2 million. With this all done focus can be given to higher standards of training and accountability.

Problem here is that Americans culturally already have mistrust towards what they perceive as the "militarization" of police. If you centralize police forces it will cause an uproar. And yes their training is atrocious imo. If I acted the way some police do when I was in Fallujah I would have probably been court martialed and be sitting in a military jail somewhere right now.

You can have a decentralized police force and have training standarts y know?

The problem is likely one of logistics and organisation at the large scale when trying to deal with a heavily broken up and divided system. Being so heavily broken up will increase the administrative costs significantly and there's also likely a lot more potential for pushback or local issues causing problems. Everyone will want their say and each independent unit might well not want to be "bossed around" by outside or higher up units. This is likely then further compounded when you get a change of local or national political groups, each of which could throw up huge potential barriers or changes of their own and stall things.

Heavily fragmented services typically run at higher costs for less results, the UK has this with the rail network. Sure in theory having each unit operate on its own can result in some savings, but any inter-connectivity gets far more costly and tricky.

That said I agree they can improve the training; the issue is going to be one of costs and enforcement of the new standards and changes.



I must admit that when I watch US dramas that relate to the police services its always strange to see so many different departments and units that can override others. Granted much of that is simplified for dramas (eg I doubt just fake-being FBI agents or such works as often as the writers for Supernatural would like us to believe); but that its even possible is quite surprising in itself.

yeah no, the US has no excuse, when we manage to run 26 seperate police departments and a federal level one aswell as a military police, using 4 diffrent languages then a state with that ammount of backing which is even more centralised and uses one language and one constitution not the 27 we have then no, that is failure on their part.

On the positive a few weeks ago I was running a squad at a shooting competition. We had sheriff's marksmanship team (yours truly), sheriff, city PoPo marksmanship team, Dept. of Public Safety (highway patrol), and DEA on the same squad. So many Glocks....(shudder)

I like to think this is a breakdown of the blue wall that led to this, and I also like to take some local pride that doing the right thing still matters......


...... but the I look at the Castillo Case and realize the only reason No'or is going to jail when others haven't is because he was a rookie, Somali cop.

Castillo case? My google fu comes up with a death row inmate. Que?

 Frazzled wrote:
Castillo case? My google fu comes up with a death row inmate. Que?

Your search failed because the spelling is Philando Castile - the guy who had a concealed carry permit, told the cop he had a concealed carry permit as required, reached for his wallet as directed by the cop, and then was executed by the cop anyway. The cop was, of course, acquitted.

 Ouze wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Castillo case? My google fu comes up with a death row inmate. Que?

Your search failed because the spelling is Philando Castile - the guy who had a concealed carry permit, told the cop he had a concealed carry permit as required, reached for his wallet as directed by the cop, and then was executed by the cop anyway. The cop was, of course, acquitted.

Ok. I am familiar with that case.

,,, Thank you for the update.

Sad state of affairs.

As sentence has been passed and we do not really need to go down any other roads here, think we're done.