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Hello I just started playing 40k I have the Codex i know some of the rules but im about to get the Rulebook and so i was wondering what is good army list for Chaos Space Marines?

Also can you make a Imperial Guard regiment entirely made of Traitors and still play them as normal imperial guard?

Rhinos with a squad of Chaos Space Marines in them are good objective takers.

1 x 7 man Plague marine squad w/ 2 special weapons + champion

3-9 obiltz (cheaper to convert Terminators than to buy metal)

Abbadon or Lash Princes for HQs

1 squad of Krone bersekers

google search CSM forums army lists and read/research.

Retrosplicer wrote:Also can you make a Imperial Guard regiment entirely made of Traitors and still play them as normal imperial guard?

You certainly can.

FeindusMaximus wrote:1 x 7 man Plague marine squad w/ 2 special weapons + champion

3-9 obiltz (cheaper to convert Terminators than to buy metal)

Abbadon or Lash Princes for HQs

1 squad of Krone bersekers

google search CSM forums army lists and read/research.

This is very much the cookie cutter tournament-style list that Chaos Marine armies take. You could take it, but it's pretty boring.

Marines in rhinos do well, with armored support from Vindicators and Predators. It's fun to build with a theme in mind, like lots of Vindicators for Iron Warriors, or lots of daemons for Word Bearers.

I don't recomend Chaos as a good first army

Why? Because you have to split your forces in half. 1 half in reserve and the other on the board, or is that just demons.

Mike

That is just daemons most the time and apparently you can't you Daemons with a CSM army, i only learned that recently and I was just thinking huh?

I dont play 40k for competitons at all i just like to play friendly games with my friend and maybe in a year i might play competions when my store actually starts doing 40k

Still I don't really recomend it if you don't have more then the average amount of disposable income then a normal Hobbiest has

Brother SRM wrote: lots of daemons for Word Bearers.

As a word bearer,I am ashamed to say that this fails horribly,since we can't get decent daemons.


We don't get any of the named deamons that exist within the Daemons codex. All CSM can take is Spawn, and greater daemons, nothing in between.

The best and most fun way to start any army is to get what you think looks cool. But of course since it's mandatory start with an HQ and 2 troops. You can if you want do a mono chaos god list but thats just limiting yourself really. And daemons can be used with Chaos marines but only in the form of a daemon prince, summoned daemons, and a greater daemon. I would really start small though it's easier on the wallet and gives you something to work on maybe play some small scale games and think about what you want to add.

juicaj1 wrote:The best and most fun way to start any army is to get what you think looks cool. But of course since it's mandatory start with an HQ and 2 troops. You can if you want do a mono chaos god list but thats just limiting yourself really. And daemons can be used with Chaos marines but only in the form of a daemon prince, summoned daemons, and a greater daemon. I would really start small though it's easier on the wallet and gives you something to work on maybe play some small scale games and think about what you want to add.

Why does no one think this is a good idea? if you think somethings fun and going to spend hours learning tactics and painting shouldnt you do something you just think is awesome?

Make a 1k sons armor. You know you want too~

Yeah you should do something awesome but if you buy a whole army at once than you're going to quickly feel overwhelmed with all the work you have and your models won't look as good as they could. at least thats how it is with my group.

Sunoccard wrote:

Brother SRM wrote: lots of daemons for Word Bearers.

As a word bearer,I am ashamed to say that this fails horribly,since we can't get decent daemons.


We don't get any of the named deamons that exist within the Daemons codex. All CSM can take is Spawn, and greater daemons, nothing in between.

And lesser daemons, of course.

There are no "good" chaos lists, merely lists which ensure that you have a fighting chance.

Try
- 2x Daemonprince, mark of nurgle, wings,warptime. Lashprinces are a joke these days so don't use them. Sorcerers might be an alternative.
- use small squads of plaque marines ( with 2xmelter, nothing else ) in Rhinos as object takers. Alternatively you might be able to use normal chaosmarines ( i prefer melter + combimelter +rhino and nothing else ) if you have to save points
- small squads of terminators with combimelters for termicide can work well
- at the very least 2x2 squads of Obliterators, accept no substitutes.

There are other chaoslists ( including Havocs with 4xmelter in Rhinos, large numbers of Chaosmarines, Chosen with lots of melters) but the above mentioned one is
is relatively well known. ( still, don't expect to win much against optimised 5.edition lists )

Shadowbrand wrote:Make a 1k sons armor. You know you want too~

I know i do


Are Defilers any good? I have seen one in a Battlereport rip through a Monolith.

Retrosplicer wrote:

Shadowbrand wrote:Make a 1k sons armor. You know you want too~

I know i do


Are Defilers any good? I have seen one in a Battlereport rip through a Monolith.

A CC Defiler is pretty legit. Shooting, not so much.

KilroyKiljoy wrote:

Retrosplicer wrote:

Shadowbrand wrote:Make a 1k sons armor. You know you want too~

I know i do


Are Defilers any good? I have seen one in a Battlereport rip through a Monolith.

A CC Defiler is pretty legit. Shooting, not so much.

With it's low WS and I even a CC defiler is imo a waste of a quite valuable heavy support slot which could be used for something more useful.

KingDeath wrote:

KilroyKiljoy wrote:

Retrosplicer wrote:

Shadowbrand wrote:Make a 1k sons armor. You know you want too~

I know i do


Are Defilers any good? I have seen one in a Battlereport rip through a Monolith.

A CC Defiler is pretty legit. Shooting, not so much.

With it's low WS and I even a CC defiler is imo a waste of a quite valuable heavy support slot which could be used for something more useful.

Valuable room for the pink pony you use as a avatar

Hrm, a counts as obliterator pony...now i just need some greenstuff