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Less of a question, more of an answer to an old thread.
What effect does Crucible of Malediction have on a unit of Grey Knights since they have the Brotherhood of Psykers special rule?

Q: Does every psyker in a unit of psykers, which are in
range of the Crucible of Malediction when it is opened,
have to take a Leadership test? (p60)
A: Yes. The notable exceptions to this are units with the
Brotherhood of Psykers special rule. These units just
take a single test, and will loose a single model if
failed.

From the latest Dark Eldar FAQ ver 1.1 of GW site.

that's really lame ... at least it should single out the upgrade character first same as suffering perils.

Tri wrote:that's really lame ... at least it should single out the upgrade character first same as suffering perils.

It does single out the upgrade character first same as suffering perils.

just because the FaQ says you only lose one model, that does not override the Brotherhood of Psykers special rule where you take the attack on the justicar first.

Not really pleased with this, but I kinda figured it was coming. Also GK vehicles can't be hit by crucible either:
Q: Does the Crucible of Malediction affect vehicles that
are also psykers? (p60)
A: No.

DeathReaper wrote:

Tri wrote:that's really lame ... at least it should single out the upgrade character first same as suffering perils.

It does single out the upgrade character first same as suffering perils.

just because the FaQ says you only lose one model, that does not override the Brotherhood of Psykers special rule where you take the attack on the justicar first.

... well thats something at least.

It does clear up the other psyker squads in the GK list now as well that do not have the Brotherhood of Psykers rule.

Hang on, what are we saying here? I certainly hope that people aren't getting the idea that you can remove entire squads of Grey Knights with this thing because the psychic attack from the Crucible will be resolved against only 1 model - the Justicar/Knight of The Flame (or a regular dude if their squad leader is already dead). Hence, you take one Leadership test for the whole unit at LD9 against the Justicar/Knight Of The Flame or at Ld8 if there's only regular guys left, and then it's against a random model.

You do not roll a leadership test for every model in the squad - that is very clear in the GK codex.

ColdSadHungry wrote:Hang on, what are we saying here? I certainly hope that people aren't getting the idea that you can remove entire squads of Grey Knights with this thing because the psychic attack from the Crucible will be resolved against only 1 model - the Justicar/Knight of The Flame (or a regular dude if their squad leader is already dead). Hence, you take one Leadership test for the whole unit at LD9 against the Justicar/Knight Of The Flame or at Ld8 if there's only regular guys left, and then it's against a random model.

You do not roll a leadership test for every model in the squad - that is very clear in the GK codex.

That was the pre-FAQ thought since you couldn't have a psyker within range of the crucible who didn't test. The FAQ cleared that up and marines were on the winning side (again).

Akroma06 wrote:

ColdSadHungry wrote:Hang on, what are we saying here? I certainly hope that people aren't getting the idea that you can remove entire squads of Grey Knights with this thing because the psychic attack from the Crucible will be resolved against only 1 model - the Justicar/Knight of The Flame (or a regular dude if their squad leader is already dead). Hence, you take one Leadership test for the whole unit at LD9 against the Justicar/Knight Of The Flame or at Ld8 if there's only regular guys left, and then it's against a random model.

You do not roll a leadership test for every model in the squad - that is very clear in the GK codex.

That was the pre-FAQ thought since you couldn't have a psyker within range of the crucible who didn't test. The FAQ cleared that up and marines were on the winning side (again).

Ah, right, just properly read the FAQ - should have done that in the first place, lol. I was panicking there for a second thinking that people were trying to say that the Crucible could remove entire squads. It's always seemed pretty clear to me any way with the Brotherhood of Psykers rule that it would be pretty stupid to allow the crucible to do this - it would be like an auto win button for DE against GK. And surely even GW wouldn't miss something like that would they?.... Would they?

Marines were on the correct side, oddly enough a power that is an attack against psykers is a psychic attack...

nosferatu1001 wrote:Marines were on the correct side, oddly enough a power that is an attack against psykers is a psychic attack...

Right, Who would've thunk it?

ColdSadHungry wrote:

Akroma06 wrote:

ColdSadHungry wrote:Hang on, what are we saying here? I certainly hope that people aren't getting the idea that you can remove entire squads of Grey Knights with this thing because the psychic attack from the Crucible will be resolved against only 1 model - the Justicar/Knight of The Flame (or a regular dude if their squad leader is already dead). Hence, you take one Leadership test for the whole unit at LD9 against the Justicar/Knight Of The Flame or at Ld8 if there's only regular guys left, and then it's against a random model.

You do not roll a leadership test for every model in the squad - that is very clear in the GK codex.

That was the pre-FAQ thought since you couldn't have a psyker within range of the crucible who didn't test. The FAQ cleared that up and marines were on the winning side (again).

Ah, right, just properly read the FAQ - should have done that in the first place, lol. I was panicking there for a second thinking that people were trying to say that the Crucible could remove entire squads. It's always seemed pretty clear to me any way with the Brotherhood of Psykers rule that it would be pretty stupid to allow the crucible to do this - it would be like an auto win button for DE against GK. And surely even GW wouldn't miss something like that would they?.... Would they?

Ask Chaos Daemons how they feel about the new GK.

So an army with a built in "I win against this army" button...no...never.

To be fair, it is not our fault that it was wording incredibly bad, but ce la vi, now that is FAQd and all.

Akroma06 wrote:Ask Chaos Daemons how they feel about the new GK.

So an army with a built in "I win against this army" button...no...never.

Daemons actually do incredibly well against the new GKs. Sure, there's a few rules that are anti-Daemon, but you'll typically won't see those in a TAC list.

And, GK all have power weapons, which don't bother Daemons. The new GK are much better at killing loyalist marines than any of the forces of Chaos.

Grakmar wrote:

Akroma06 wrote:Ask Chaos Daemons how they feel about the new GK.

So an army with a built in "I win against this army" button...no...never.

Daemons actually do incredibly well against the new GKs. Sure, there's a few rules that are anti-Daemon, but you'll typically won't see those in a TAC list.

And, GK all have power weapons, which don't bother Daemons. The new GK are much better at killing loyalist marines than any of the forces of Chaos.

Really because every time I have seen Daemons vs GK the Daemons get curbstomped badly.

Sidenote my BT have never lost to GK...gotta love a adamantium mantle saving a marshal from ID when the GK got perils ( ) and died from it. That and extra armor+PoMS can give you the same as Daemon Possesion to an extent...now C:SM I'm 1-5-1 against GK. (Stupid deathcults wipping out my vanguard...grumble grumble)

jacetms87 wrote:To be fair, it is not our fault that it was wording incredibly bad, but ce la vi, now that is FAQd and all.

Yes. C'est la vie indeed.