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Hey, i need a little Help with creating a competitive List including Paladins and Draigo that could be victourious against all odds.

My first Idea was this:


*************** 2 HQ ***************

Supreme Grand Master Kaldor Draigo
- - - > 275 P

Librarian
- Stormbolter
- Master-crafted nemesis-force sword
- 3 x Servo-skulls
- Quicksilver
- Might of Titan
- Sanctuary
- The Shrouding
- Warp-rif
- - - > 195 P


*************** 2 Elite ***************

Venerable Dreadnought
- Twin-linked Autocannon
- Twin-linked Autocannon
- Psybolt ammo
- - - > 195 P

Venerable Dreadnought
- Twin-linked Autocannon
- Twin-linked Autocannon
- Psybolt ammo
- - - > 195 P


*************** 4 Troops ***************

Paladin-Squad
5 Paladins
- 3 x Nemesis-force swords
- 1 x Nemesis Daemonhammer
- 1 x Master-crafted nemesis Daemonhammer
- 2 x Stormbolters
- 2 x Psycannons
- Apothecarius
- - - > 395 P

Assault-Squad
5 Grey Knights
- 3 x Nemesis-force swords
- 3 x Stormbolters
- 1 x Psycannon
+ Justicar
- Nemesis-force swords
- Stormbolter
+ - Razorback
- Twin-linked heavy bolter
- Psybolt ammo
- - - > 160 P

Assault-Squad
5 Grey Knights
- 3 x Nemesis-force swords
- 3 x Stormbolters
- 1 x Psycannon
+ Justicar
- Nemesis-force swords
- Stormbolter
+ - Razorback
- Twin-linked heavy bolter
- Psybolt ammo
- - - > 160 P

Assault-Squad
5 Grey Knights
- 3 x Nemesis-force swords
- 3 x Stormbolters
- 1 x Psycannon
+ Justicar
- Nemesis-force swords
- Stormbolter
+ - Razorback
- Twin-linked heavy bolter
- Psybolt ammo
- - - > 160 P


*************** 1 Heavy Support ***************

Land Raider Crusader
- Twin-linked assaultcannon
- Multimelter
- - - > 265 P

Grey Knights : 2000

You posted in Warhammer Fantasy army lists, need to ask someone to move this to 40k.


**Reading list to give opinions**

Ah, sorry... can be deleted.

I like the list, balance seems okay. My only concern is you are paying a lot for Draigo for just one unit of paladins as troops.

I'd drop the Apothecary and spend the 75 pts elsewhere. On the whole, the apothecary isn't worth it as paladins tend only to die from attacks that ignore Feel No Pain anyway. You'd be better just buying another paladin for the unit with a banner.

So:

Draigo - 275
Librarian (Might, Quicksilver, Sanctuary, Shrouding, Warp Rift - never underestimate the potential utility of this power), warding stave (absolutely essential as he's going to end up in melee). - 210
6 paladins, 2 psycannon, banner, stave (very, very useful in keeping the squad alive in close combat - remember neither Draigo nor the Librarian can use their invun saves to absorb attacks against the squad in close combat), hammer, 2 halberds, 2 swords - 415
Land Raider Crusader, multi-melta, psybolts (people howl 'No!' becasue you lose the defensive weapons capability on the hurrican bolters but S7 rending easily makes up for that) - 270

Venerable Dreadnought, 2 x TL autocannon, psybolts - 195
Venerable Dreadnought, 2 x TL autocannon, psybolts - 195

1560 thus far, leaving 440 points.

Personally I'd run more paladins rather than throwing in power armoured troops but actually having a few units of them plus razorbacks isn't a bad idea really - though it does commit you to starting on the board and often Draigo lists do better when everything comes on from reserves, I find.

You have your strike squads at 160 each but actually they cost 180 with psybolts and razorbacks with psybolts (130+50).

So the basic three squads come to 330 as you've equipped them (minus psybolts), leaving 110 for vehicles. So I'd run them as a 10 man squad in a Rhino with 2 psycannon for 260 points and a 5 man squad with psybolts in a psybolt-razorback for 180.

2000 on the nose if I've added correctly.


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Draigo, contrary to some opinion, is a steal at 275 points, being hardier than a Terminator squad (200 points) and easily having 75 points of worthwhile bonus rules.

Artemo wrote:
Draigo, contrary to some opinion, is a steal at 275 points, being hardier than a Terminator squad (200 points) and easily having 75 points of worthwhile bonus rules.

Completely agree! He may not hit as hard as other IC but he can dish out a lot of punishment. He can also absorb an amazing amount of firepower. Point for point he's a freakin beast.

Artemo wrote: banner, stave, hammer, 2 halberds, 2 swords

Unless I am mistaken this is not possible as it is 7 NFW or their replacements for equipping 6 terminators. Drop a sword I assume?