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Full battle report that led to this situation is here: http://prometheusatwar.com/2011/08/ard-boyz-battle-reports/

But look at this charge, is this legal? He's the Grey unpainted guys. He shot up my little 5 man purifier squad with his own full 10 man squad of purifiers + Draigo. The shooting kills 4, and I remove the 4 on the left, trying to get out of charge range. He rolls a 4 on his difficult terrain (we had ruled the bridge open, but difficult to get over the edge) and was just barely able to touch me. Only the one guy was in combat, with the 2 behind him able to contribute attacks. That left a bunch of models unable to get into combat, strung along behind. He then multicharges into my ven dread (which really wasn't a good idea for him, btw), all the way over on the left, and I protest, because that just doesn't look right to me. Yes, he was in coherency, but how can he engage 2 different units so far apart there would be no way to have two models engaged in combat with both and also in coherency? It just leaves these 3 models in this nowhere zone between combats. What happens when some of the models in between dies, but the one purifer lives?

Fun anecdote, that actually happened. My purifier lights off cleansing flame, and several purifiers die. For whatever reason he wiffs, and my purifier lives. He then says he gets to pick one side of it, and the rest of the combat has to contract towards that point. WTF?!? Like I said, this didn't actually seem like a good idea for him, as the ven dread killed several purifiers too, and even Draigo and a Daemonhammer had trouble against it.

Now, after arguing with the T.O. for about 10 minutes about it, he got him to rule that it was legal, on the basis that the intervening models couldn't reach the lone purifer anyway, so if her couldn't get into combat, he was allowed to charge basically whatever he wanted. Is this true, is it legal? If it is, or isn't please explain the reason why or why not. I can't really cite a specific reason why it wouldn't be, but it feels very wrong to me.

Yes, it is legal. As long as he follows the bulleet points on moving assaulting models, then you are fine to multicharge.

Yeah, if the intervening models couldn't make it into base contact, or into 2" of a firendly model in base contact, they can be just strung out in coherency. If as a result of that models out on the end of this coherency 'tail' wind up in position to assault other units while still maintaining coherency, that's fine.

So far as the models in between being removed, it's not a problem until the combat ends, at which point units out of coherency would have to move back as soon as possible.

The combat would only 'contract' together if some of the models involved wound up out of base contact at the end of the round, in which case they would pile into the remainder of the combat as normal.

+1 To all above points by Insaniak and Nos

Thanks for the response, guys. But somebody who's opinion I trust, Ahrimaeus, showed up on my blog and told me that definitely wasn't legal. Any thoughts?

Comment is here:

http://prometheusatwar.com/2011/08/ard-boyz-battle-reports/

As long as the squad can remain in coherency AND engages ALL possible models (that means if you can engage 4 doing 1 assault or 3 doing 2 you can't do 2) then it is legal as long as he followed the proper procedure in the rulebook for multiple assaults


EDIT in addition to what we have already said, without knowing exactly how he moved models and where they started just prior to the assault. But after looking at the picture again it may be the case that this happened to be illegal...I'll go with my previous of "if he did what the rulebook says to then it's fine"

That looks legal to me but like you said, not the best idea.

I don't see how he could have A) moved model to within coherency of a model that has already moved into close combat and B) tried to get models into 2" if possible.

It looks like this is fishy.

yeah it would help if we had a picture of where the models started. otherwise all we have to go on is out of context

I just curious how a bridge with water got into Ard Boyz... a TO must have ignored the rule of 5 sent by GW

bagtagger wrote:yeah it would help if we had a picture of where the models started. otherwise all we have to go on is out of context

Pretty much, but I keep looking at that central guy. Usually when I see a model that is out of 2" of either combat, it likely means the assault was done wrong.

The same way I look at a list with 4 heavies and go, something was done wrong lol

Silly Space Wolves with their 9 Long Fang Squads

After playing Orks several times, Conga-line combats do happen. There's no other way for Orks to get through terrain, around buildings, etc...

bagtagger wrote:The same way I look at a list with 4 heavies and go, something was done wrong lol

lol Too soon!

agnosto wrote:After playing Orks several times, Conga-line combats do happen. There's no other way for Orks to get through terrain, around buildings, etc...

Yeah, but usually they are the result of the orks getting assaulted by the enemy. I remember having a slugga boy squad ending up in a triangle-shape after being assaulted from three directions

bagtagger wrote:yeah it would help if we had a picture of where the models started. otherwise all we have to go on is out of context

Well, unfortunately I didn't take a picture just prior to the assault, hadn't realized he would try to do such a thing, of course. To give you an idea, they were all more or less where that Stormraven base is. They had come out of the SR, which I had just blown up. They had the oppotunity to move first, so they might have spread a little right, not much, I think he'd rolled double ones on his move roll, too. To be honest, this only happened because he got screwed by difficult terrain rules pretty hard.