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To swear loyalty to the Dark Gods, and to betray them some time after and to be free from their influence. Is that even possible?
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Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
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coolyo294 wrote:Yes. IIRC, in the old Witch Hunters codex, there were redeemed Psykers that Inquisitors used as lighting rods for psychic powers.
Those were just unsanctioned psykers, though. Not Chaos worshipers.
I don't think it's possible. Once Chaos has its hooks in you, you're gone. Best-case scenario, you turn away from your path in recognition of What Horrors You Have Wrought, and either a) kill yourself, b) submit yourself to your former friends for execution, c) offend your patron, who turns you into a nightmarish horror of twisted flesh and pain.
It's possible, but less likely the longer you worship. So you'd never see an Imperial Daemon prince, but might have the occasional Aspiring Champion turn himself in for execution.
Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. You can play the best chess in the world, but at the end of the day the pigeon will still knock all the pieces off the board and then gak all over it.
Harriticus wrote:Guys like Fulgrim seemed to at least. Horus also shed a single tear before he died.
It would be impossible for such a rare individual to continue in Imperial society though, Inquisition would never let them live or be free.
Yeah, they realized what they'd gotten into. I think it's important to note that they didn't then announce their love for the Emperor, renounce Chaos and all its ways, and live happily ever after. The best you get is a "WHAT HAVE I DONE? WHAT HAVE I BECOME?" before your messy demise.
If Cypher is good, then you can turn back from Chaos.
Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. You can play the best chess in the world, but at the end of the day the pigeon will still knock all the pieces off the board and then gak all over it.
Yeah, that's sort of a giant "if" right there. Wasn't his 'last seen' status something to the effect of "leading entire worlds of the Imperium into heresy and apostasy, turning them against Imperial authority to pave the way for Typhus' plague fleets and Abaddon's all-out invasion?"
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I haven't heard that. He just seems to turn up around the Fallen.
Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. You can play the best chess in the world, but at the end of the day the pigeon will still knock all the pieces off the board and then gak all over it.
Brother Coa wrote:..for someone to turn back from Chaos?
To swear loyalty to the Dark Gods, and to betray them some time after and to be free from their influence. Is that even possible?
It is possible. The reward bestowed upon those who have returned to the light of the Emperor is a swift death rather than a long drawn out one.
Really you need to clarify, its possible to renounce the gods and act against their will, whether or not the 'gifts' (mutations, etc.) that have been bestowed upon you go away... I think those are slightly more permanent. In any case, returning to the Imperium is possible (assuming you aren't found/located), but not likely, because you will be executed regardless.
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I would very much like to think there is a chance for redemption from Chaos. I like to believe there is always a balance. The Imperium gives out the easiest, swiftest, and most efficient way of redemption-that of death. But that is not total and complete redemption. You may be forgiven, but you still haven't been given complete vindication, because while you have been redeemed in the eyes of your executioner, you have still not been redeemed by the most important individual. The individual that proved to be weakness, to be your downfall to chaos. that individual of course is yourself. If you want redemption, you need to first renounce your sins, be forgiven by the ones you harmed, be forgiven by the ones who want you dead, be forgiven by the emperor himself, and then finally learn to heal yourself through purging and cleansing body, mind, and soul. Then reinforce it so that you can never be corrupted again. To do such a thing is no easy task, it can probably take you eons. It is of course much easier to be shot in the face.
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Check out a Black Library novel called Daemon World. The entire thing is set on, you guessed it, a Daemon World deep inside the Maelstrom.
Warning, massive spoilers for the book contained within the Tag.
Spoiler:
It's got perhaps the coolest example of what you're looking for, and perhaps the only real, cut and dry example of it that I have found in the fluff. By the end of the book, you find out that the events of the entire novel are the machinations of an aeons-old Daemon Prince who has grown jaded with the Chaos Gods. He has come to hate Chaos. Not what it stands for, just the fact that when all is said and done, no matter how many great victories a champion of the dark gods might achieve, none of those victories or triumphs belong to them. They are nothing but rank, pathetic pawns for ultimately uncaring, thirsting, laughing gods.
The plot is that waaaaaay back when, before the great crusade, this Daemon Prince fought the fully-manifested planet-spirit of an Eldar Maiden World (fans of DC comics: picture Mogo, the Green Lantern who is a psychic planet, here), and after years and years of combat managed to beat it into submission, 'killing' it. And from there the Maelstrom advanced, swallowed it, and over more than 10,000 years became more and more corrupted, becoming a true Daemon World. He became myth and legend. This planet became a 'Jewel of Chaos', a prize of the Chaos Gods. But, it turns out that the Daemon Prince back in the day, more as an insult to the planet's spirit, didn't actually kill it, he simply jammed a big daemon-sword into it's heart and put it into a coma, meaning that he could wake it up. And that's exactly what he does, at the end of the book he wakes the planet up, allowing it to kill all of the Daemons and Chaos Marines and other corrupted things on it's surface, and then because it was so utterly corrupted, to destroy itself to avoid the pain of continued existence, which denies the Chaos Gods one of their best trophies, which is basically this Daemon Prince's giant middle finger to the Chaos Gods and all that they represent.
I read 2 short stories with characters that come back...
One ends up dead and the other trapped for eternity and doomed to go insane.
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Was there not a story published about that very subject? I can't remember if it was a graphic novel or a short story.
Basically a SoB and UM end up on a demon infested world and the UM sucumbs to Nurgle. SoB escapes. Later SoB captures the UM and convinces him to return to the 'light' and carry out a suicide attack on the demon prince, redeeming his role/soul.
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AndrewC wrote:Was there not a story published about that very subject? I can't remember if it was a graphic novel or a short story.
Basically a SoB and UM end up on a demon infested world and the UM sucumbs to Nurgle. SoB escapes. Later SoB captures the UM and convinces him to return to the 'light' and carry out a suicide attack on the demon prince, redeeming his role/soul.
Cheers
Andrew
Yeah that was an odd one...
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"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry.
AndrewC wrote:Was there not a story published about that very subject? I can't remember if it was a graphic novel or a short story.
Basically a SoB and UM end up on a demon infested world and the UM sucumbs to Nurgle. SoB escapes. Later SoB captures the UM and convinces him to return to the 'light' and carry out a suicide attack on the demon prince, redeeming his role/soul.
Cheers
Andrew
Ah, yes, that's right. I had forgotten about that one. Heh. I believe that the Marine smuggled an Exterminitus device inside of his chest to take out the Daemon Prince.
It was in a short story collection the BL published.... Dark Imperium I believe.
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Panzerboy26 wrote:Check out a Black Library novel called Daemon World. The entire thing is set on, you guessed it, a Daemon World deep inside the Maelstrom.
Warning, massive spoilers for the book contained within the Tag.
Spoiler:
The Daemon Prince wouldn't happen to have been named Malal, would it?
Arturius, I very much doubt it.
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Ahriman
Cypher
Luthor
The Soul Drinkers Chapter
The Blood Ravens
The Unfleshed
Non of these are perfect examples (most were dupped by Chaos and have turned on the Chaos faction that claimed them), but there pretty close to what you are asking for.
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Arturius wrote:Are there any examples of people surviving their redemption?
Sure, every member of the Illuminati and also every Harlequin Solitaire is possessed by a daemon prior to their induction in said organizations.
Death for the redeemed is more of a trope and an in-universe practice, it is not a universal law.
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This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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The Illuminati have to exorcise a demon from themselves before joining the cult, but the aren't accepted by the Imperium. It's possible to turn away, but you can never go back.
Some Black Shields of the Deathwatch may count for this. Generally though, if the Imperium knows you turned to Chaos, they will redeem you in death. Much, much safer that way; no need to take unnecessary risks.
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Biel-Tan Aspect Waves 2-0-2 
Looted Green Horde smash your face in 32-7-8 
Broadside/Shield Drone/Kroot blitz goodness 23-3-4 
Grey Hunters galore 17-5-5 
Khan Bikes Win 63-1-1 
Tanith with Pardus Armor 11-0-0 
Crimson Tide 59-4-0 
Green/Raven/Deathwing 18-0-0 
Jumping GK force with Inq. 4-0-0 
IH Legion with Automata 8-0-0 
RG Legion w Adepticon medal 6-0-0