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What is the difference??? until I looked at the "Solar Map" in AOBR, I had thought one was nested within the other... now I can see that they are uin fact at two seperate points on the map... can anyone offer some explanaition/fluff/history to this???

What exactly are you wanting to know?

Seriously, asking "what's the difference" is like asking "what's the difference between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans?".

fair enough... I guess I am wondering how they came into existence, what are the major differences (aside from location) between the two and any other juicy tid bits that may be around.... I have read the lexicanum entries on both, but the maelstrom was severly lacking in useful information.

Because we really don't have much information on The Maelstrom, outside of it being an area where the Warp bleeds over onto realspace.

The Eye of Terror is different however, in that it's actually an 'entryway' into the Warp/Realm of Chaos. It's the only reliably stable route that can be used by the forces of Ruinous Power who take shelter within the Warp.

Kanluwen wrote:What exactly are you wanting to know?

Seriously, asking "what's the difference" is like asking "what's the difference between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans?".

Even if you had a bad day, avoid being aggressive and condescending with a newcomer on dakka. That's just wrong. This poor guy is simply new to the fluff.



@Crusher050: The EoT and the Maelstrom are two different warp storms. One is located in the Segmentum Obscurus while the other is in Ultima Segmentum.

The EoT was created following the birth of Slaanesh. It is the biggest warp storm in the galaxy and also the most active and unpredictable. It acts as a haven for untold numbers of chaos cultists, marines and daemons.

The Maelstrom is smaller and more stable. It is also believed to be older than the EoT. Imperial scientists think that it is a "natural" warp storm, unlike the EoT which was created by a massive surge of Chaotic activity in the warp (see above). It is also home to various chaotic cults, though most CSM warbands seem to prefer the EoT. It is notably the base of operations of the infamous Red Corsairs.
Finally, the Maelstrom also hides various xenos empires that managed to escape the Imperium's wrath thanks to the warp storm's protection.

Laodamia wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:What exactly are you wanting to know?

Seriously, asking "what's the difference" is like asking "what's the difference between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans?".

Even if you had a bad day, avoid being aggressive and condescending with a newcomer on dakka. That's just wrong. This poor guy is simply new to the fluff.

What?
That's not "being aggressive and condescending".

Being new isn't exactly the best defense for a vague question wanting specific answers however.

@Crusher050: The EoT and the Maelstrom are two different warp storms. One is located in the Segmentum Obscurus while the other is in Ultima Segmentum.

The Eye of Terror is not a Warp Storm. It is a warp rift. The Maelstrom is a warp rift as well. Rifts are where the Immaterium bleeds over into realspace, storms are interference within the Immaterium that does not spill over into realspace except on some very rare occasions. Storms cause psykers to go mad, ships to be lost, etc.

The EoT was created following the birth of Slaanesh. It is the biggest warp storm in the galaxy and also the most active and unpredictable. It acts as a haven for untold numbers of chaos cultists, marines and daemons.

The Maelstrom is smaller and more stable. It is also believed to be older than the EoT. Imperial scientists think that it is a "natural" warp storm, unlike the EoT which was created by a massive surge of Chaotic activity in the warp (see above). It is also home to various chaotic cults, though most CSM warbands seem to prefer the EoT. It is notably the base of operations of the infamous Red Corsairs.
Finally, the Maelstrom also hides various xenos empires that managed to escape the Imperium's wrath thanks to the warp storm's protection.

Warp Rifts != Warp Storms.

The Maelstrom, while smaller and stable is not as stable as you think.
There's a reason that the Cadian Gate is permanently garrisoned and the Maelstrom isn't. The Maelstrom is hazardous to ships taking shelter within it due to its unpredictable nature. It's only deep within the Maelstrom that it is relatively 'safe'.

Arguelon Veq, one of the greatest Chaos Champions, apparently had something to do with the creation of the Maelstrom, possibly could be down to the final battle in which he finally beat the Old One.

There isn't much difference between the two but the Ocularis Terribus is much bigger and is home to the Traitor Legions. Both are areas where Warp and Realspace mingle with each other.

The White Scars attempted to enter the Maelstrom in force during the Great Crusade but it proved to dangerous and the area was declared something latin and scary sounding.

Kanluwen wrote:What exactly are you wanting to know?

Seriously, asking "what's the difference" is like asking "what's the difference between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans?".

In which case I would tell you that in America, the Atlantic tends to be dirtier and colder, while the Pacific is generally prettier and more calm. It wasn't an unreasonable question, Kan.

OP, I never really looked into the fluff on this one all that much. For all intents and purposes, the Eye of Terror is just a bigger, nastier Maelstrom.

Jimsolo wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:What exactly are you wanting to know?

Seriously, asking "what's the difference" is like asking "what's the difference between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans?".

In which case I would tell you that in America, the Atlantic tends to be dirtier and colder, while the Pacific is generally prettier and more calm. It wasn't an unreasonable question, Kan.

Did I say it was unreasonable? No, I didn't. The question is vague. Your answer to the question I posed about oceans should tell you that.

OP, I never really looked into the fluff on this one all that much. For all intents and purposes, the Eye of Terror is just a bigger, nastier Maelstrom.

Ehhhh...

Not really. The Maelstrom is seemingly a naturally occurring phenomenon, with not much information on it outside of it being the Immaterium bleeding into realspace.

The Eye of Terror isn't natural. It was caused by the 'birth' of Slaanesh, with the psychic shockwave being unable to remain simply within the Immaterium. The Eye of Terror is situated within what once was the Eldar empire.

True, but that's a matter of origins. 'For all intents and purposes' as I said, they are pretty much the same. Both of them are areas where the Warp is mingled with the real live universe. If you go to either of them, you are going to go insane and die, not necessarily in that order. As far as the vast majority of people in the universe are concerned, it's a 'six of one, half a dozen of the other' situation. Yes, the cause of the Eye is the birth of Slaanesh. No one knows what caused the Maelstrom (hence the supposition that it is a 'natural' phenomenon). Either way, they are both there now, and both filled with mutants, heretics, demons, and traitor Marines.

The Eye of Terror is bigger and nastier than the Maelstrom.

Mark both of them off of your tourist guide.

A lot less nastier things live in it then the Eye of Terror.

I thought the Eye of Terror was where Slanesh was born

Kanluwen wrote:
Did I say it was unreasonable? No, I didn't. The question is vague. Your answer to the question I posed about oceans should tell you that.

You're just plainly annoying right now. Stop thinking you're the biggest fluff buff in all history while everyone else is ignorant.

Kanluwen wrote:The Eye of Terror is not a Warp Storm.

BTW, check your own fluff before correcting others. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Warp_Storms

Check out the top of the list. EoT=Warp Storm.

Laodamia wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
Did I say it was unreasonable? No, I didn't. The question is vague. Your answer to the question I posed about oceans should tell you that.

You're just plainly annoying right now. Stop thinking you're the biggest fluff buff in all history while everyone else is ignorant.

I don't think everyone else is ignorant.

I think that you are getting worked up over nothing, and perceiving a slight where there was none.

Kanluwen wrote:The Eye of Terror is not a Warp Storm.

BTW, check your own fluff before correcting others. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Warp_Storms

Check out the top of the list. EoT=Warp Storm.

When a source doesn't give a page number--it's usually not in there. Lexicanum, while being far better than the alternative, is not infallible.

Firstly, yeah now you are taking this too far, let it go.

But other than that, yep, they're essentially the same, excluding size and age. Both where caused by turbulence in the warp of some kind, as that is generally how you rip into something (physics may not apply in the warp, but it applies here). I may have made that up, but I'm sure I read it somewhere.

I hope this helps

Kanluwen wins!