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well i am not a tournamentplayer myself but well here is my suggestion....and yes i know it would get beat to hell by a horde army.

-slaanesh lord with daemon weapon in a rhino(daemonic possession) with 9 chosen( chosen have mark of slaanesh, 2 melta and 2 power weapons)
-slaanesh lord with daemon weapon in a rhino(daemonic possession) with 9 chosen( chosen have mark of slaanesh, 2 melta and 2 power weapons)

give lord meltabombs just in case


-2 obliterators
-2 squads of 5 basic marines
- squad of 10 havocs with 4 lascannons


basically against any army thats not horde you can infultrate the rhinos within 12 with cover =) or 18 without cover =(
if no cover drive closer and shoot meltas
if cover move 8in out(2 for disembark 6 for move) and kill a squad before they can attack you

use oblitorators and havocs to get rid of monstorus creatures/vehicles/walkers/dreadnots


so...anything wrong...any thoughts?

One point which will throw a spanner in the works is that you can't infiltrate in a Rhino.

I'm not sure about having a 10 man Havoc squad as 6 of those guys should never get to shoot.

As basic troops I'd suggest Plague Marines as they are great for holding objectives.

uhm well i am sure they can cause i have played this list against several people who are real fuspots about rules. plus the rhinos are are dedicated transports.

and as for the havocs squad well those 6 extra guys are in case they shoot at you so you have some guys to take wounds instead of the lascannon guys

and i have thought about plauge marines for basic troops, but while they are awesome at holding objectives they have a habit of being well for one expensive and two well they arent that good in close combat they are more for tieing up a unit then for being aggresive and killing stuff.


but all things considered i think i will try the plauge thing. i just like getting in my opponents face turn one and start beating the living out of them

Welcome to Dakka! I'm going to move this to the Army Lists forum; the Tournament forum is more for discussion OF tournaments, not lists to play in them. Lists get their own specialized area.

marmaduke wrote:uhm well i am sure they can cause i have played this list against several people who are real fuspots about rules. plus the rhinos are are dedicated transports.

You and they might want to read the Infiltrate rules on page 75 then.

I would take Daemon Princes instead of the Lords or even Terminators for the Lords. Chosen are not close combat units, they are shooting support. They also cannot infiltrate in a Rhino as mentioned by others.

Rest is not enough troops, ranged fire power is ok but too many Havocs. No need for a full squad when you only need 5 dudes to get 4 special weapons.

okay well i will read up on the rules for infultrate..... ounce i find my book again.

so a good idea for a list would be
two deamon princes with wings and warptime
bunch of nurgle to hold objectives/ be annoying/AWESOME maybe 2 full squads of 10 in rhinos with 2 melta and champion withe....power weapon?
i still dont see a good reason for not taking if not a full sqaud then like 4...or 5 extra guys just so if they lose a save the lasguns dont just go poof but wuld love to disscuss it more


so how does that sound.

and i will look up how infultrate works, cause i mean the rhino can be a designated transport for the chosen.....confused i am



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a thought strikes me.....ow.....

in a 1500 pt game would it be a good idea to run a land raider with 4 terminators in it and a terminator lord

give one an icon of slaanesh with a slaanesh lord?

would that be efffective?

would that Work? or too many points in just one unit?


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then maybe also run a deamon prince as well to help soak up lots of fire....or is that too many points spent on HQs alone?


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or would it be a better to just have that one HQ in a landraider and then spend the rest on basic troops?





i am confuzeled

To answer you questions, yes two Princes would be nice along with Plague Marines. Plague Marines only need to come in units of 5 because that's all you need for double special weapons, and no to the champion.

Single Land Raider in 1,500 might be tough to take down but against the wrong army it could fall flat on its face first turn.

If you do run Princes they must be run in pairs.

okay cool i am starting to actually write the list so this is my list

HQ terminatopr lord slaanesh deamon weapon

4 terminator champions slaanesh icon, heavy flamer

two groups of ten plauge marines with champion with power fist and two meltas both in rhinos that are possesed

landraider

6 havocs with 4 lascannons


....so?

You'll find that the Land Raider will be a early target especially if you get second turn, and there's good reason to shoot at it. Plus I've found Chaos Land Raiders to be meh, no POTMS.

I still stand by my words about the power fists and the Rhinos don't need to be possessed.

well i really like the possesed thing and it is only like 20 points.... oh and i have an actual list written up so i will pot that soon


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so here is my 1500 pt list

HQ
chaos lord with deamon weapon, mark of slaanesh, and terminator armor

elites
4 terminators with mark of slaanesh
with dedicated land raider

Troops
2 groups of 10 plauge marine with champion with a powerfist and 2 melta guns in a deamonic rhino

5 noise marines with sonic blasters champion with doom siren

Heavy Support
vindicator

so what do you think of my list?

marmaduke wrote:so what do you think of my list?

bad, sorry. There is no synergy in it and most units are not built efficiently to task.

Chaos lord is one of the weakest HQs compared to other choices in the codex.

LR is a very expensive way to transport 5 models. Without POTMS, it will not shoot at all while lumbering forward. Also, with 5 termies, where will the lord ride? The LR can only fit 5, so the Lord will footslog?

Large PM squads are very expensive. If you move them forward, they will not outperform zerkers in CC or chosen in melta duty. If you leave them behind, that is a ton of points camping on an objective.

With just one vindi and one LR, you have only two heavy armor targets, so no target saturation. This means the enemy anti-tank will concentrate on just two targets and knock them out quickly. You will lose about 400 pts the first turn that way, possibly before firing a shot, and the termies will be left to slog across, which will kill them as well.

marmaduke wrote:well i really like the possesed thing and it is only like 20 points.... oh and i have an actual list written up so i will pot that soon


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so here is my 1500 pt list

HQ
chaos lord with deamon weapon, mark of slaanesh, and terminator armor

elites
4 terminators with mark of slaanesh
with dedicated land raider

Troops
2 groups of 10 plauge marine with champion with a powerfist and 2 melta guns in a deamonic rhino

5 noise marines with sonic blasters champion with doom siren

Heavy Support
vindicator

This theme isn't going to win you many tournaments but is def playable at a fun level.

If you want to stick with it this is what I would suggest:

Lord /w termie armour, mos, DW

4x terminators 2/w combi melta, 2/w PF, Dedicated LR

2x 7 Plague marines /w 2x MG, champ /w PF/CM in rhino (no demonic posession, it is a huge waste of points in this case, 10 PM's is also a waste)

1x 5 noise marines /w 1xBlastmaster 1xSonic Blaster in Rhino (This squad provides great fire support while sitting in a rhino)

2x Vindicator ( /w demonic posession if you have the points)

You should be able to make that work by shuffling some points around.

Hope that helps some

looks like an interesting list



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okay so i have been thinking..... so keep the hq terminators and land raider

then run just a ton of basic troops

and a vindicator?


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or would it be better to run a lord in power armor with a squad of chosen with 2 power weapons and 2 meltaguns

a squad of 5 noise marines in a rhino with 1 blastmaster and a sonic blaster

and then just fill up on trrops with champion with power weapon in a rhino?

...and a vindicator with deamonic possesion?

Daemonic posession will mean that the vindicator will get to shoot more often ;D you will get shaken and stunned alot if your opponent is worth their salt!

One thing to remeber about Chosen is that they are not a close combat squad. They are best used as a surgical strike force with 4x melta guns in a rhino.

Your lord can easily join any one of your troop squads if he is in power armour. if there are 9 bodies in the squad he can even ride in their rhino with them !

@ 1500 pts 3 full squads of troops or 2 full and 2 smaller squads usually does the best


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I also forgot to mention that PF are prefered on champs if you have the points. It allows your squads to deal with bigger tougher units.

kool i will remember that

so the best list would be to just have a vindicator for big scarry targets
5 havocs
lord of slaanesh with deamon weapon in rhio with chosen wih powerfists

then just load up on troops and rhinos

If you want a close combat lord give him Khorne and daemon weapon for +2D6 attacks in close combat.
Plague marines are resilient enough for 5 to beat a medium sized mob of Boyz
If its going to shoot don't really bother with Daemonic Possession, if its a transport extra armour means it can still move even if it can't shoot. Also rhinos have Bolters and maybe 1 other pintle weapon that wont be needed much. Though i do like Havoc Launchers.
For cc use zerkers in a rhino with a lord as described above.
Obliterators can be very helpful.
For troops that can hold their own in combat have a 10 man squad of marines with a missile launcher
if you move some points about maybe get some bikers or raptors.

Just trying to make a suggestion but they might not be the best of ideas.

To write a competitive CSM list:

HQ:
your DP with wings, would you like MoN or MoS? Would you like two?

Elites:
These don't make it on very often. Maybe suicide termies. MAYBE.

Troops:
would you like all Plague marines? or mostly Plague marines and some Berzerkers?
Don't forget rhinos, now!

Fast Attack:
also probably wont be on a competitive list.

Heavy Support:
would you like 3x2 oblits? or 3x3 oblits?
OR 2x3 oblits and a defiler or 2x3 oblits and a vindicator?

Surely you wouldn't be suggesting the Chaos book lacks variety or options.

so a good competetive list would be

Deamon prince of nurgle wings

all plauge marines in rhinos with extra armor

2x3 oblitorators and a vindicator

Yep, listen to the post above.

Nitros14 wrote:Surely you wouldn't be suggesting the Chaos book lacks variety or options.

There are lots of options just not a lot of them are viable for their points costs

Havocs are a perfect example of this and are probably the worst heavy upport choice in the codex.
I say this for a few reasons.

1: Unlike devastators they don't have a a SGT that can boost their BS, and can't use plasma or multimeltas.
2: They are not capable of being mobile if required, and cannot move and shoot heavy weapons. this means they may not be shooting every round.
3: all medium weapons (plas gun, melta gun, flamer ect) can be had by chosen for a fraction of the cost

logg_frogg wrote:

Nitros14 wrote:Surely you wouldn't be suggesting the Chaos book lacks variety or options.

There are lots of options just not a lot of them are viable for their points costs

Havocs are a perfect example of this and are probably the worst heavy upport choice in the codex.
I say this for a few reasons.

1: Unlike devastators they don't have a a SGT that can boost their BS, and can't use plasma or multimeltas.
2: They are not capable of being mobile if required, and cannot move and shoot heavy weapons. this means they may not be shooting every round.
3: all medium weapons (plas gun, melta gun, flamer ect) can be had by chosen for a fraction of the cost

uhhm..... i just read my codex real quick and the cost for chosen with a meltagun would be more expensive then a havoc with a melta gun

this is cause chosen are 18 points per and havocs are 15 pts per model....that and the melta...for example...costs the exact same


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okay so...well actually i came on cause i thought of well maybe a more competetive list?

HQ
-Deamon prince of nurgle with wings and warptime
-lord of slaanesh with deamon weapon

Elites
none

Heavy Support
-Vindicator possesed
-3 obliterators


Troops
-10 plauge marines, champ, powerfist, 2 meltas in a rhino with extra armor
-9 plauge marines, champ, powerfist, 2 meltas in a rhino with extra armor
- 5 noise marines 2 sonic blasters in a rhino with extra armor


okay so time to explain

so the deamon prince to just be awesome and take lots of fire and distract the other person. plus with eternal warrior it would be hard to take down plus with with toughness 5(6) good luck wounding it and doesnt hurt that he is strength six
the lord to ride with the nine plauge maines and when they get to were they are to jump out and be like suprise i rape you now.

vindicator and oblitorator to help take down either hordes of imperial guard, nids or anything else that gets in their way. including vehicales bye bye b

and plauge cause they are so dam annoying to kill.
noise marines as an expandable fire support

and rhinos so they can get in the opponents face real quick while they try to deal with either the deamon prince or the vindicator


so any thoughts????????

marmaduke wrote:

logg_frogg wrote:

Nitros14 wrote:Surely you wouldn't be suggesting the Chaos book lacks variety or options.

There are lots of options just not a lot of them are viable for their points costs

Havocs are a perfect example of this and are probably the worst heavy upport choice in the codex.
I say this for a few reasons.

1: Unlike devastators they don't have a a SGT that can boost their BS, and can't use plasma or multimeltas.
2: They are not capable of being mobile if required, and cannot move and shoot heavy weapons. this means they may not be shooting every round.
3: all medium weapons (plas gun, melta gun, flamer ect) can be had by chosen for a fraction of the cost

uhhm..... i just read my codex real quick and the cost for chosen with a meltagun would be more expensive then a havoc with a melta gun

this is cause chosen are 18 points per and havocs are 15 pts per model....that and the melta...for example...costs the exact same


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okay so...well actually i came on cause i thought of well maybe a more competetive list?

HQ
-Deamon prince of nurgle with wings and warptime
-lord of slaanesh with deamon weapon

Elites
none

Heavy Support
-Vindicator possesed
-3 obliterators


Troops
-10 plauge marines, champ, powerfist, 2 meltas in a rhino with extra armor
-9 plauge marines, champ, powerfist, 2 meltas in a rhino with extra armor
- 5 noise marines 2 sonic blasters in a rhino with extra armor


okay so time to explain

so the deamon prince to just be awesome and take lots of fire and distract the other person. plus with eternal warrior it would be hard to take down plus with with toughness 5(6) good luck wounding it and doesnt hurt that he is strength six
the lord to ride with the nine plauge maines and when they get to were they are to jump out and be like suprise i rape you now.

vindicator and oblitorator to help take down either hordes of imperial guard, nids or anything else that gets in their way. including vehicales bye bye b

and plauge cause they are so dam annoying to kill.
noise marines as an expandable fire support

and rhinos so they can get in the opponents face real quick while they try to deal with either the deamon prince or the vindicator


so any thoughts????????

That is a good list
i haven't flicked through my codex in a while but would it be worth giving the sonic marines a blastmaster somehow?
But its a good list all the same

unfortunatly not really especially since i wrote this list as to have the noise marines to just be a nucence that the opponent has to deal with. adding in a blastmaster...even if i dropped other stuff would just make them not so expendable with is what they are supposed to be. cannon fodder to hide the other stuff and just be annoiying

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okay so...well actually i came on cause i thought of well maybe a more competetive list?

HQ
-Deamon prince of nurgle with wings and warptime
-lord of slaanesh with deamon weapon

Elites
none

Heavy Support
-Vindicator possesed
-3 obliterators


Troops
-10 plauge marines, champ, powerfist, 2 meltas in a rhino with extra armor
-9 plauge marines, champ, powerfist, 2 meltas in a rhino with extra armor
- 5 noise marines 2 sonic blasters in a rhino with extra armor


okay so time to explain

so the deamon prince to just be awesome and take lots of fire and distract the other person. plus with eternal warrior it would be hard to take down plus with with toughness 5(6) good luck wounding it and doesnt hurt that he is strength six
the lord to ride with the nine plauge maines and when they get to were they are to jump out and be like suprise i rape you now.

vindicator and oblitorator to help take down either hordes of imperial guard, nids or anything else that gets in their way. including vehicales bye bye b

and plauge cause they are so dam annoying to kill.
noise marines as an expandable fire support

and rhinos so they can get in the opponents face real quick while they try to deal with either the deamon prince or the vindicator


so any thoughts????????