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Hi all, I'm relatively new here.

My friend and I are playing our first Apoc game. He is fielding a space marine (probably untra marines or space wolves) army.

Below is my draft Army list. Its about 60 points over 5000. Please give me any advise.
thanks

Tom

HQ
Warboss
Twin linked Shoota
Attack Squig
Bosspole
Cyborg Body

Weirdboy
Warphead

Big Mek
SAG
Boss Pole

Big Mek
KFF

Elite

Lootas x10

Meganobz x3
1x shoota/rokkit
2xshoota/Skorcha

Troops

Boys x13
Nob w PK
1x Big Shoota
Truck
Armor Plates
Boarding Plank
Red Paint Job
Reinforced Ram

Boys x13
Nob w PK
1x Big Shoota
Truck
Armor Plates
Boarding Plank
Red Paint Job
Reinforced Ram

Boys x30
3x Big Shoota

Def Dred (troop due to Mek)
1x CCW
1x Rokkit Launcher
Armor Plates

Def Dred (troop due to Mek)
2x CCW
Armor Plates

Fast Attack

Deff Koptas
3 twin Rokkits

Warbuggies x3
Twin linked Rokkits
Armor Plates
Red paint Job

Heavy Support
Battle Wagon
Kannon
Armor Plates
Grabbin Claw
Red Paint Job

Def Dred (troop due to Mek)
2x Big Shootas
Armor Plates

Killa Kans x3
1x Grotzooka
1x Rokkit Launcher
1x Skorcha

Killa Kans x3
1x Grotzooka
1x Rokkit Launcher
1x Skorcha

Killa Kans x3
1x Grotzooka
1x Rokkit Launcher
1x Skorcha

Looted Wagon
Boomgun
Armor Plates
Reinforced Ram

Looted Wagon
Boomgun
Armor Plates
Reinforced Ram

Looted Wagon
Boomgun
Armor Plates
Reinforced Ram

Killa Krusher
2x Rokkit launcher
2x Skorcha
1x Twin Linked Big Shoota
Grot Gunners
2x Grot Bomms
2x Grot Sponsons
Deff Rolla

Bommer
10x Bomms
6x Bomms
10x big shootas (port, starboard, nose, and rear)

Big Mek Stompa
2x Big Shoota
Deth Cannon w co ax giga shoota
Gaze of Mork
Lifta Droppa
3x Supa Rokkits

Hmm, drop the buggies and increase the amount of boyz you have, you want 100 tbh in a game that size, or the enemy firepower from non horde armies will rip everything you have that can take objectives to shreds, ditch the KFF as well, get another SAG, if you can, get 3, then you get the SAG battery datasheet, which is imba....dno if big shootas are upgrades on bommer etc, but drop most, drop the grot boms on killa krusha too, and 1 looted wagon, more boyz!

The main reason you want more boyz is because you have some many kanz / dreads, make a kan/dread wall in front of them, it'll be an armoured advance, which will be awesome, covered by stompa fire, loota fire, and hopefully a SAG battery anhillating one board at a time! 3 Deff kopta's will die too fast to make up their points cost here also, you need to have around 9 in a datasheet squad to make use of them in such a big game :(

Also things like boarding planks you dont really need at all As if a transport weak enough will make it there anyway, Drop the wierdboy and warboss, drop some other minor things as well, and shove ghazghkull in there, 2++ save during his 2 turn waagh where your whole army has a 12 inch move basically, as boyz should always / most of the time run, unless shoota boyz, so 6 inch run! then 6 inch assault, REMEMBER THE STOMPA CAN RUN, if you decide you want an assault stompa, it has 18 inch assault range with ghazghkull up ;p

Otherwise this list looks fun, losta tanks you could make a looted wagon wall of boomgun on the left flank or something, protect the sides of the huge mob advancing, with a kan wall in front, stompa to the right, your boyz have a 4+ cover save (enemy shootign through vehicles) for the bulk of your army, which is pretty tough to stop, especially with a ghazzy waagh going on, ghazzy will be fine assaulting a titan as well if your friend is fielding that, JUST MAKE SURE HIS WAAGH IS GOING, ghazzy screwed against titan without 2++ (scout titans that is >_&gt

Oh and if he fields a space wolf army, put the looted wagons in front of the kanz, as space wolves are devasting if they get to charge, if they are chargED, you stand a pretty good chance with boyz, as you have no shock nob squad to deploy, and also if you want ghazzy theres a nice meganob retinue for him! ^^

Good infor orkaswampa, thanks. I want to krush em good haha.

From the intel his wife accidentilly leaked to me he is painting alot of vehicles. The buggies w rokkits were intended to be mobile rokkit launchers. I guess the boom guns and stompas can take care of them.

I dont see him fielding Titans as he is himself a Marine and says footsloggers can do it all.

I spose, the buggies are quite good, however the meganobz are better, spose you manage to shove 3 meganobz + ghaz in a trukk, that is shielded by a kan wall, and he has 2 vehicles next to each other, instead of 3x str 8 on AV12 (AveragE) you can have a multi-charge, of power klawing meganobz and ghazghkull, in my own personal experience, i had a wonder game with Ghaz, turn 2, anhillate baneblade, next turn, run into scout titan and do 2 structure poitns of damage, nob squad finish that off, then he ran into a shadowsword that was deployed purely to take out my skullhamma, and did half of thats structure points, before being gunned down :( 7 str 10 attacks at WS6, not bad! So yeah, power klaws are your anti tank, as you have taken so many looted wagons and kanz, about the kanz, i advise dropping all their weapons and taking 3x rokkits for each squad, they have BS3 which is highest in ork army, so you should exploit rokkits hitting on 4's there, and ditch the AT everywhere besides power klaws etc, but at the end of the day its your playstyle that matters tbh so have a good game and krump em good, marines are the easiest to stomp especially with a lifta dropper

(*cough* throw land raider at land raider *cough*)

Cant remember if i said anything about the wierdboy, if you want, in some possible way as i have no idea how you could bend points into this (maybe drop grabbin klaws or smth), upgrade him to Old Zogwort, then you can turn Logan Grimwolf / Marneus Calgar or whatever beefy hq he has, into a squig. Its a devastating ability, works nicely against 275 point hq's, you make like 100 points up from it, and then you have all his other abilites, so if you think about it, 60 to 70 poitns ish for a spell, that you can use as much as you want....to destroy farseers, everything thats horribly hard, LIKE DRAIGO FOR GK, HE IS BRUTAL, HE MUST BE SQUIGGED

I cant wait to liffta droppa his land raiders all over the board.

We are setting up a 3 table battle at my house... I have the home field advantage

the tables will be set up liek this --|--

Nice, i have tables set up |-| which is horrible, your one is nice, no bottleneck of death, if oyu are both deploying left and one deploy right, then remember to send orks through the middle behind a kan wall, and armour round the sides, if you can block him from flanking, and push straight forward into the middle long board, you can drop off squads of boyz from the large mob headed into the marines, to cap objectives and sit there, you must have control! Keep the stompa behind, to deal with those bloody drop pods and termies :( Should be a good game

When you see looted wagon + boomgun, i want you to think this: I see a leman russ with a battlecannon an no armour at all.

That is a more positive view Battlecannons are lovely, which is why boomguns are too ^^

Do you use shoots or slugga boys more? I'm thinking slugga for the mechanized army I'm putting together. Plus I already have around 60 sluggas painted and based haha.

Moar boyz moar deth!!!

I tend to favour battlewagons trukks stocked up with boyz / nob squads, and then a large core of footsloggers, screened by a 3 grot thick wall of gretchin But yeah i find that if i keep everything in an AV14 Tank with a 4+ cover save (big mek kff) then my boyz are generally safe, anything that comes to assault the wagon, gets deff rolled


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I tend to favour battlewagons trukks stocked up with boyz / nob squads, and then a large core of footsloggers, screened by a 3 grot thick wall of gretchin But yeah i find that if i keep everything in an AV14 Tank with a 4+ cover save (big mek kff) then my boyz are generally safe, anything that comes to assault the wagon, gets deff rolled

Ok so me and my buddy just agreed to up the points to 5500. I also left off the 2nd mek stompa on my posted list. I'm thinking about adding a 3rd stompa for a total of 3. That's should really crush his beakies!!! Hahha

Oh god, thats awesome ;p, 2 normal and 1 mek! A normal on each flank running up, then unleashing a lot of destroyer weapon attacks

I was thinking 2 mek and regular. The regular one being the goff claw something or other for 450. That gives me 2 lifts droppas. Aerial land raider ballet anyone

hehe yeah could work And pass on goff claw, the psycho dakka blasta w/e thing and big cannon on the normal one is key ;p + you only get 1 attack for losing all of those lovely weapons!

take ghazghull and 100 boyz, and give them the green tide. it allows ghaz to waaagh on every turn, allowing you to move fast as hell, and keeps them all fearless, so even if all the boyz die, ghaz wont run, and keeps his 2+ inuvl for the entire game. amazing

The entire squad also has slow and purposeful afaik so d6 assault, d6 move, d6 run, 3 inch movement in one turn woohoo! Green Tide is BAAAAAD, you also lose a potential of 10 scoring units :/ also cloggs up the board and is just boring, movement nightmare meh and it drags on :/

Orkaswampa wrote:The entire squad also has slow and purposeful afaik so d6 assault, d6 move, d6 run, 3 inch movement in one turn woohoo! Green Tide is BAAAAAD, you also lose a potential of 10 scoring units :/ also cloggs up the board and is just boring, movement nightmare meh and it drags on :/

Nope, with ghazzy you dont roll for fleet, it's an auto 6" and in apoc, the boyz are gonna die fast anyways, you basically use them as a cheap excuse to have ghazzy keep up his 2+ invul forever and auto fleet every turn.

i played a 9000 point game about 3 months back. after they killed all my boyz ghaz single handedly took out 1 reaver titan, and 2 baneblades, 2 of the superheavies went supernova and took about about 3000 points worth of stuff in the process. it's worth the cheap point cost you put into the green tide

But i do completely agree with you with the movement being a nightmare, and boring. but as a horde ork player i think that's part of the magic

Hehe ghazghkull does the same for me in apoc Warlord titans only inflict 1 wound in an explosion on ghaz (apocalyptic), so 2++, immune to instant death, meh, he basically did 4k - 5k poitns of damage in your game which is why he's awesome.

It looks like you're putting 13 boyz in a trukk, but trukks can only hold 12. Just a little thing. Looks like a fun list.

Oh yeah i didnt notice that, its 12 boyz, but you kill one, making it 11, and add a nob, thats how upgrade to a nob works, the same thing with kommando's and other squads has been the bane of my failure D:

Orkaswampa wrote:Oh yeah i didnt notice that, its 12 boyz, but you kill one, making it 11, and add a nob, thats how upgrade to a nob works, the same thing with kommando's and other squads has been the bane of my failure D:

I knew it was 12 riders only but when I used the army builder it let me add the knob in the assigned truck for a total of 13. Must be a glitch in the program.

best army builder, is a codex, a piece of paper, and a pen, or alternatively Word processor and a codex

Orkaswampa wrote:best army builder, is a codex, a piece of paper, and a pen, or alternatively Word processor and a codex

I know I know haha. I just use the army builder as a draft when build the army. Then I double check it with the codex and excel.

Kewlio, when do we get the battle report of your game!! D:

Madmax1 wrote:It looks like you're putting 13 boyz in a trukk, but trukks can only hold 12. Just a little thing. Looks like a fun list.

I just checked my list. the trukk counted as 1 because its a dedicated transport. It doesn't effect the points total but is just rolled up in the tally for some reason. thanks for the double check though.


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Orkaswampa wrote:Kewlio, when do we get the battle report of your game!! D:

Game is slatted for Halloween weekend. I have about half of the army painted, 75% put together and about 20% sitting in boxes. I still need to get another Stompa if I'm going to use 2. I'm still debating on if I should field 3 stompas or 2 stompas and another 600 points of boys. I will post pics (or try to post pics, never done that before) of the painted army when complete. I will also do a pic and write up battle report after the battle.

I know, or atleast have a good hunch that his beakies are rhino and land raider heavy so I'm thinking the 3x lifta droppas might be important. I'm really not sure because this is my first ork fight. I have a 1000pt ork army I'm ready to start test fighting against my own Chaos marines.

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Madmax1 wrote:It looks like you're putting 13 boyz in a trukk, but trukks can only hold 12. Just a little thing. Looks like a fun list.

I just checked my list. the trukk counted as 1 because its a dedicated transport. It doesn't effect the points total but is just rolled up in the tally for some reason. thanks for the double check though.


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Orkaswampa wrote:Kewlio, when do we get the battle report of your game!! D:

Game is slatted for Halloween weekend. I have about half of the army painted, 75% put together and about 20% sitting in boxes. I still need to get another Stompa if I'm going to use 2. I'm still debating on if I should field 3 stompas or 2 stompas and another 600 points of boys. I will post pics (or try to post pics, never done that before) of the painted army when complete. I will also do a pic and write up battle report after the battle.

I know, or atleast have a good hunch that his beakies are rhino and land raider heavy so I'm thinking the 3x lifta droppas might be important. I'm really not sure because this is my first ork fight. I have a 1000pt ork army I'm ready to start test fighting against my own Chaos marines.

So i'm going to revise the list based on some more Ork homework. Basically I'm taking some of the adevise listed here and incorporating more boyzzz. I'm cutting the 3rd Stompa for 600ish more points of boys. I'm breaking most of them up into groups of 19+1. I can put a 19+1 unit inside each of the 2 remaining Stompas and 1 in the Kill Krusha.

I will probably swap out the 2x trukks 11+1 sluggas with shootas for some drive by action

The battle wagon will have Ghaz, 3 Meganobs, and the Big Mek w KFF

Will ditch the Deffkoptas and may (who knows) replace with a warkopta so I can Air Assault some boys around the board to seize objectives... not sure how efective this will really be but it just sounds fun

Will add a Flakka Trakk to deal with aircraft that my buddy reportedly just purchaced. I figure based on the rules I can always lower the guns and add it to the drive by trukk mob.

thoughts?

I wouldnt get 3 stompa's, thats a bit mean, if you are worried about deff kopta's, field a kill kan attack horde, for 600 points you get 12 killa kanz with rokkits thats 12 AV10's, and alot of cover for anything behind JUST BLOCK THE ROADS WITH THEM ;D Shoot, and thne assault with str 10 when the rhino comes straight into you, but if you do this, make sure you make sure its not some desolate open battle wasteland, make streets etc and you have control of the field, which is the key factor in 40k, board control!

Orkaswampa wrote:I wouldnt get 3 stompa's, thats a bit mean, if you are worried about deff kopta's, field a kill kan attack horde, for 600 points you get 12 killa kanz with rokkits thats 12 AV10's, and alot of cover for anything behind JUST BLOCK THE ROADS WITH THEM ;D Shoot, and thne assault with str 10 when the rhino comes straight into you, but if you do this, make sure you make sure its not some desolate open battle wasteland, make streets etc and you have control of the field, which is the key factor in 40k, board control!

I just posted an update the same time you posted yours haha

I was 8 minutes ahead of you

I posted a refined 5500 point list.