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Ok i need help

been painting a battlewagon and its nearing completion.

ive spent the last week weathering some parts with powders and got the underside to just where im happy with it. went to seal it with GW purity seal and after giving it several light coats the varnish has dried with a frosty look. the parts that got some overspray look like its white and frosted. !!!!!!!!!!!!!

please help as this has turned into a frickin nightmare.

Hey Kizmet, was it a particularly humid day when you spray sealed your battlewagon? Humidity affects all aerosols and makes them clup, fuzz, and not correctly adhere to the model.

If humidity is a constant problem for you, I suggest picking up a portable dehumidifying unit, running it for a couple of hours and then spraying near it indoors. Remember to ventilate the room immediately after spraying and wear a face mask!

No. NO. Stop someone a few months back had this and he sprayed it with Gloss Varnish let it dry (24hours), and then sprayed it with a matt varnish problem solved. Check this forum.

EDIT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/343488.page#2400315

ORINOCO advised the following about Frosty or Clouded Miniatures.

1. Check your weather report for the local humidity. Anything above 50% = no go.

2. Temperature should be above 65 degrees. It's more sensitive to temp than spraypaint.

3. To fix the cloudy problem use the above advice and acquire a glossy varnish. The stronger gloss solvent will disintergrate the matt varnish and you can put matt over the gloss later on and retain the matt finish.

When spraying the gloss on to the clouded models do the following:

Spray each model individually and heavily. Don't drown it but make it a heavy coat. Wait until it is 50% dry then apply the gloss again and repeat until there is no improvement. I saved 25 skinks this way.

right im in the uk so i thinkits always damp and secondly it rarely gets above 65

First off, two things:
1. Tell GW that their purity seal ruined your model, provide pictures if necessary. They will provide a replacement.
2. Spray it again with gloss varnish; Testor's Gloss Coat will do. This will eat away the misty varnish. Spray matte varnish over it (Testor's Dullcote) and you'll be gravy.

PM MajorTom about it, he´s the residing expert in repairing varnished-to-death minis.

think its back to GW tbh

spent last night scrubbing the frosting with a fresh drybrush and broke down all of the frost.

bit of white spirit and more powder brought the weathering back to decentish detail and re sprayed and voila i have new frosting.


they need to sort this in store tbh. im fethed off

Kizmet wrote:Ok i need help

been painting a battlewagon and its nearing completion.

ive spent the last week weathering some parts with powders and got the underside to just where im happy with it. went to seal it with GW purity seal and after giving it several light coats the varnish has dried with a frosty look. the parts that got some overspray look like its white and frosted. !!!!!!!!!!!!!

please help as this has turned into a frickin nightmare.

First: Stop paying for overpriced sealer!!!

Shake your sealer well, and reapply a covering of gloss sealer. It will get rid of the "frost" without any need of scrubbing. Then when dry apply a matte varnish (Unless you want a shiny wagon i guess...)

I think its just the #@%$!%! purity seal. I think the product is absolute gak.

Kizmet wrote:think its back to GW tbh

spent last night scrubbing the frosting with a fresh drybrush and broke down all of the frost.

bit of white spirit and more powder brought the weathering back to decentish detail and re sprayed and voila i have new frosting.


they need to sort this in store tbh. im fethed off

Did you even read the post by Mwnciboo? He told you how to save it.

nectarprime wrote:

Kizmet wrote:think its back to GW tbh

spent last night scrubbing the frosting with a fresh drybrush and broke down all of the frost.

bit of white spirit and more powder brought the weathering back to decentish detail and re sprayed and voila i have new frosting.


they need to sort this in store tbh. im fethed off

Did you even read the post by Mwnciboo? He told you how to save it.

i did read it but ts a bank holiday here

i have no spray gloss varnish

and the frosting was all on a base of crunbly wumbly powder so it seemed like a safer bet to remove the powder 90% and start again than risk sealing in this damage to the underside of the model. i just thank the gods of acrylics and plastic that this happened to the weathering mud accumulation that is sitting behind the tracks and wheels. god bless my ocd that im weathering the finished article in stages

Not all matte varnishes are created equally. GW and Armory are worse than most. I've had good success with both over the years but they are so finicky as to not be worth it. Zero problems with Testors Dullcote or the Masters version Clear Flat. Identical product. Krylon and similar are meh more satin than anything. I intend to test matte wood varnish, and I have had good gloss results with Future (Klear) now to add Tamiya Flat Base.

"Hey guys, I have an emergency!"

"The answer"

"NAH, I was too lazy and impatient to follow the well thought out advice that has lots of evidence to back it up. I just want to be angy!"

Welcome to the internet.

Purity seal is garbage.

Everything said here about sealing is perfectly true, but purity seal is such garbage that even doing it RIGHT sometimes gets a frosted model.

Testors is very good. Vallejo makes spray sealers now that I am really loving so far.

the_trooper wrote:"Hey guys, I have an emergency!"

"The answer"

"NAH, I was too lazy and impatient to follow the well thought out advice that has lots of evidence to back it up. I just want to be angy!"

Welcome to the internet.

Pretty much sums up this thread, doesn't it?

I've only found one good use for Purity Seal: Sealing Industrial Metal signs to prevent rust. For anything else, garbage.

Kizmet wrote:

nectarprime wrote:

Kizmet wrote:think its back to GW tbh

spent last night scrubbing the frosting with a fresh drybrush and broke down all of the frost.

bit of white spirit and more powder brought the weathering back to decentish detail and re sprayed and voila i have new frosting.


they need to sort this in store tbh. im fethed off

Did you even read the post by Mwnciboo? He told you how to save it.

i did read it but ts a bank holiday here

i have no spray gloss varnish

and the frosting was all on a base of crunbly wumbly powder so it seemed like a safer bet to remove the powder 90% and start again than risk sealing in this damage to the underside of the model. i just thank the gods of acrylics and plastic that this happened to the weathering mud accumulation that is sitting behind the tracks and wheels. god bless my ocd that im weathering the finished article in stages

You don't have OCD. If you did, you would of waited until you could get more clearcoat and would have done it the correct way.

Ravencraft wrote:I've only found one good use for Purity Seal: Sealing Industrial Metal signs to prevent rust. For anything else, garbage.

c.... can.. can we.... um... can... can we hear an amen from the crowd?.. any chanbce of an.. amen.. no??
well...
it IS the truth.... it IS useless....

well, considering it has a tendency to "frost" the only other utilitous function I see for it is to employ it for that finishing touch on your ice-world terrain.

It appears that I have to opologise to the trooper and breotan for listening to the advice that was hugely appreciated as is all advice I get from the good people on this site but not examining my situation and thinking through the problem and attempting anything other than doing what I was told. As mentioned in one of my later posts on closer examination and a little prodding of my powder it was possible to REMOVE all of the damage. My train of thought being more along the lines of risk sealing in this damage or "rollback" and start again, I opted for what I perceived to be the safer option and for that I am sorry. The problem surfaced again when re sealing the light powdering prior to building up the mud again and after speaking to GW they are replacing the model and spray and the guys at forge world have given me some nice tips to sealing the effect I am trying to do and to remove / repair the salting - frosting issue. Had this problem happened to a figure I certainly would have tried the gloss varnish but as this was only the first stage of finishing this model I really thought I had to err on the side of caution.

Again I would like to apologise for posting my initial post mere minutes after the initial problem in a fit of dispare that many hours and the guts of fifty quid may have been ruined. In future I will make sure I don't do it again. To all those that gave advice many thanks it was appreciated