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Not to split hairs before theres any concrete info but i personally think that they sacked the Rhinox Cavalry in the new Ogre Kingdoms...
None of the people that have seen the book mentioned them and going in line with the usual disregard for forgeworlds products, i dont think we will have any use for these models unless your opponent feels generous.

any thoughts? info?

Rhinoxes weren't included in the first army book, they aren't included in the new second one. So they stay out rulewise and modelwise.

Forge World still offers the models though: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer/Warhammer_Monsters and the rules http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/R/rhinox.pdf . Not sure if these are the same as in the WD article some years ago. Using Rhinoxes has always been a non-standard addition and stays that way.

That said, you can possibly take the Rhinox models "counting as" Mournfangs. I guess most people will approve that. Personally I would take Rhinoxes over Mournfangs because of the models.

thanks for the attention kroothawk. was hoping for something thats a bit more "up to date".

I'm just going to use the Mournfang rules for Rhinox riders, I doubt most people will have a problem with that.

tarnish wrote:thanks for the attention kroothawk. was hoping for something thats a bit more "up to date".

Maybe they'll update it, who knows

Not having looked too closely at the new releases, I had actually thought those mournfang cavalry were plastic rhinox riders.

I guess they chose to make more diverse monsters, keeping the rhinox on the catapult and that new massive cannon, and creating something new for the ogre cavalry.

I'm still going to run my thunderlord as mounted on a mournfang cavalry

They all got crushed to death by that obnoxious cannon.

FearPeteySodes wrote:They all got crushed to death by that obnoxious cannon.

Obnoxious is what Ogres do best!

I like the cannon

To each his own.

My guess is that Rhinox Riders will be released in a WD supplement like the SoB codex and Terrorgiest.

Rhinox are incredibly hard to tame and extremely rare beasts of burdon.


Rhinox Riders are going to be in the Chaos Dwarf book from Warhammer Forge, which is rumored to have GWs full sanction as an army book. the RR will be added as a Rare choice to the Ogre book in the WF book.

Also keep in mind that the rhinox used for the scraplauncher are actually babies.... Adults are huge.

I recently ordered the three RRs from FW. I'll use them with the FW rules. If my opponent has a problem with that, well, he'll have to find another opponent.

My favorite thing with the FW riders is the fact you get 2 ogre bulls for free(although only 1 base so you will need to get an extra somewhere)

I got 6 bulls for free with my Rhinox

The Heaviest Cavalry: You would normally be forgiven for believing that the mighty Bretonnian Grail Knights or the dreaded Blood Knights of the Vampire Counts were the top two contenders for the hardest-hitting, most powerful cavalry in the game. Not any more! Not only does a unit of Mourfang Cavalry consist of mounted Ogres, but the Mournfangs themselves hit as hard as a herd of charging Razorgor. Indeed, each Mournfang inflicts D3 Strength 5 Impact Hits, even before rider and mount unleash a minimum of three Attacks apiece. And they can be upgraded to have a 2+ armour save. Start running...

This is the quote from the GW Getting Started page on Mourfangs. I think Rhinox and Mourfangs are pretty much the same. Impact hits. # of attacks. The armor save (presumably the 2+ is for the rider with heavy upgrade and mount protection). But the Mourfang has 1 less attack.

Using out-of-date FW rules on models that are like 99% represented by standard, updated, playtested models and rules seems a bit odd and I can't think why anyone would want to do so.

Well, I updated the RR rules to take into account the 8th edition rules and addition of Mournfangs.

the rules are on the Ogre Stronghold in the Houserules section if you want to look at them.

Grey Templar was fairly close to the official reason in his first post. In WD this month, JJ said Rhinoxes were supposed to be beasts of burden and thus not widely used for warfare.

DukeRustfield wrote:

The Heaviest Cavalry: You would normally be forgiven for believing that the mighty Bretonnian Grail Knights or the dreaded Blood Knights of the Vampire Counts were the top two contenders for the hardest-hitting, most powerful cavalry in the game. Not any more! Not only does a unit of Mourfang Cavalry consist of mounted Ogres, but the Mournfangs themselves hit as hard as a herd of charging Razorgor. Indeed, each Mournfang inflicts D3 Strength 5 Impact Hits, even before rider and mount unleash a minimum of three Attacks apiece. And they can be upgraded to have a 2+ armour save. Start running...

This is the quote from the GW Getting Started page on Mourfangs. I think Rhinox and Mourfangs are pretty much the same. Impact hits. # of attacks. The armor save (presumably the 2+ is for the rider with heavy upgrade and mount protection). But the Mourfang has 1 less attack.

Using out-of-date FW rules on models that are like 99% represented by standard, updated, playtested models and rules seems a bit odd and I can't think why anyone would want to do so.

very true but the real difference is in the wound category. the rhinoxes had a lot. the mournfang probably dont.

Where have all the Rhinox gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the Rhinox gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the Rhinox gone?
Ogres ate them one by one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

RatBot wrote:Where have all the Rhinox gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the Rhinox gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the Rhinox gone?
Ogres ate them one by one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

was aiming for that one

Grey Templar wrote:Rhinox Riders are going to be in the Chaos Dwarf book from Warhammer Forge, which is rumored to have GWs full sanction as an army book. the RR will be added as a Rare choice to the Ogre book in the WF book.

Do you have a source for this (is it in a N&R thread?). That would make the ommission make sense all of a sudden... because honestly, how much cash did GW just miss out on by NOT making them a legal unit and/or making plastic models?

If you have them, using them as mournfang cavalry in the meantime is a good idea. You could even pick up the metal mini-rhinox from the old scraplauncher kit (I believe GW sells it separately now) to put mournfangs riders on... although both that and the FW route are quite expensive.

Flashman wrote:In WD this month, JJ said Rhinoxes were supposed to be beasts of burden and thus not widely used for warfare.

Yeah, who would use beasts of burden in warfare? Like horses or elephants? Ridiculous! Everyone knows that beasts not able to carry burden like giant hyenas are much better adapted to carrying an Ogre!

RiTides wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Rhinox Riders are going to be in the Chaos Dwarf book from Warhammer Forge, which is rumored to have GWs full sanction as an army book. the RR will be added as a Rare choice to the Ogre book in the WF book.

Do you have a source for this (is it in a N&R thread?). That would make the ommission make sense all of a sudden... because honestly, how much cash did GW just miss out on by NOT making them a legal unit and/or making plastic models?

If you have them, using them as mournfang cavalry in the meantime is a good idea. You could even pick up the metal mini-rhinox from the old scraplauncher kit (I believe GW sells it separately now) to put mournfangs riders on... although both that and the FW route are quite expensive.

The ogre stronghold has friends accross the pond that know these things

Yeah Mournfang "Counts As" Rhinox is how I'd do it, and I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who thought of it.

Kroothawk wrote:

Flashman wrote:In WD this month, JJ said Rhinoxes were supposed to be beasts of burden and thus not widely used for warfare.

Yeah, who would use beasts of burden in warfare? Like horses or elephants? Ridiculous! Everyone knows that beasts not able to carry burden like giant hyenas are much better adapted to carrying an Ogre!

Presumably GW is equating rhinoxes to actual oxes, which are excellent beasts of burden but aren't ridden.

In practice though, I wish they'd stop making up so many crazy mount options. There's a reason why horses and elephants are just about the only animals routinely ridden by humans. Most animals simply can't be domesticated and ridden and trying to mount them will simply result in them attacking you. Many simply don't have the strength. For example, wolves and new cold ones look like their backs would be broken by their riders, in reality. I know warhammer is a fantasy game, but this is one of those things that break the suspension of disbelief. I'd rather weird, non-horse or monster mounts be limited to quadrupedal cold ones (halfway between the LM and DE ones), rhinoxes, and boars (cuz orcs are crazy.)

Kroothawk wrote:

Flashman wrote:In WD this month, JJ said Rhinoxes were supposed to be beasts of burden and thus not widely used for warfare.

Yeah, who would use beasts of burden in warfare? Like horses or elephants? Ridiculous! Everyone knows that beasts not able to carry burden like giant hyenas are much better adapted to carrying an Ogre!

Pack horses aren't used in warfare. Nor mules. Nor donkeys. Nor oxen. Nor water buffalo. If it is bred and trained to be a beast of burden it's going to be pretty worthless in combat no matter how much it can carry. Elephants were only ever so-so, it was more they scared people, including the handlers and the army whose side they were ostensibly on.

Usually the characteristics of an animal make it fit for only one or another category. There aren't many guard dogs that make good shepherds and vice versa.

This is a fantasy land of course, but just pointing out that no beasts of burden were really used in warfare. I.e., knights didn't fight on their warhorse, win the battle, and then hook it up to a plow. It wouldn't know what to do and would probably kick you in the face.

we are referring to species as a whole here.

training and bloodlines are completely seperate. Horses and Elephants are beasts of burden and are tractable.

DukeRustfield wrote:This is a fantasy land of course, but just pointing out that no beasts of burden were really used in warfare.

You are aware that horses carrying a sack and horses carrying a rider are the same species, right?
Maybe google the word cavalry, if you don't believe that horses were used for carrying warriors. And even pack animals have an important role in warfare at least until WW2.

Concerning Mournfangs, a Rhino like animal is more believable to carry an Ogre than a Hyena looking animal. Even visually, the Ogre balancing the Hyena's back doesn't look right.

Kroothawk wrote:

DukeRustfield wrote:This is a fantasy land of course, but just pointing out that no beasts of burden were really used in warfare.

You are aware that horses carrying a sack and horses carrying a rider are the same species, right?

You understand they aren't remotely the same breed, right? They are hundreds of years apart in that regards. A dog is the same species as any other dog, but a poodle and a great dane and a rotweiller won't ever be used for the same things--except wearing funny hats and modelling calendars.

As for horses a destrier is not a quarterhorse. They have different skeletons, musculature, temperaments, trainability, etc. I'm sure at some point in early early days a horse was a horse was a horse. But not in high fantasy, Bretonnia.