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Under righteous zeal, it says that you have to take a morale check anytime you take a casualty due to shooting; not just when you suffer 25%. If you pass, you must then make a consolidation move toward the nearest visible enemy unit. If you fail, you fall back as normal.

Does this mean that a group of 10 initiates could potentially flee if only 1 model was killed in the shooting phase? Or was this in reference to the usual 25% morale test?

They don't flee, they advance towards then nearest enemy. It's a sort of double-edged sword kind of thing (Templars? Sword? I'll get me coat...).

I Understand if they pass their moral test, they advance toward the nearest enemy. But what is the penalty for failing that zeal morale test? The codex seems to imply that the unit falls back

Ah, yes, I see, sorry. My impression from playing templars is that , yes, they might flee from losing only one model (but they're far more likely to get a 'free' advance).

Next question: It also says that the Emperor's Champion can never lead a command squad. Can he still be attached to a regular squad of troops or terminators since they are not command units and he has the independent character rule?

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omerakk wrote:Next question: It also says that the Emperor's Champion can never lead a command squad. Can he still be attached to a regular squad of troops or terminators since they are not command units and he has the independent character rule?

Right. EC is an IC, so he can join any squad that is not a command squad.

Yes, he can join any normal unit. He can also join a command squad that a marshal / etc has joined.

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omerakk wrote:Next question: It also says that the Emperor's Champion can never lead a command squad. Can he still be attached to a regular squad of troops or terminators since they are not command units and he has the independent character rule?

Right. EC is an IC, so he can join any squad that is not a command squad.

That is not necessarily correct. He can join a command squad during deployment or game. He cannot choose to purchase and lead one the same way a commander or chaplain will, where they become one squad etc.

omerakk wrote:Next question: It also says that the Emperor's Champion can never lead a command squad. Can he still be attached to a regular squad of troops or terminators since they are not command units and he has the independent character rule?

Yes he can join any squad he chooses.

omerakk wrote:Under righteous zeal, it says that you have to take a morale check anytime you take a casualty due to shooting; not just when you suffer 25%. If you pass, you must then make a consolidation move toward the nearest visible enemy unit. If you fail, you fall back as normal.

Does this mean that a group of 10 initiates could potentially flee if only 1 model was killed in the shooting phase? Or was this in reference to the usual 25% morale test?

Assuming you fail a Ld test then you fall back as normal. With a Marshal this becomes very unlikely as your army now has Ld 10. If you pass you consolidate D6" towards the nearest visable enemy unit, or any unit if you have a chaplain. Keep in mind the codex uses the term cosolidate so you don't have to move if you don't wish to.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Yes, he can join any normal unit. He can also join a command squad that a marshal / etc has joined.

"The Emperor's Champion always fights as an Independent Character and may never lead, join or be attatched to a Command squad." Page 31 of the Black Templars Codex under the "Always an Independent Character" rule. Thus, no joining Command squads, ever.

Keep in mind the codex uses the term cosolidate so you don't have to move if you don't wish to.

I don't know about that part. It says the move is identical to a consolidate move, but it also says you MUST move toward an enemy unit; no choice in the matter if you pass the test.




Last question since I'm not sure if this one plays the same as the other marine armies:

Can a Black Templar vehicle with Power of the Machine Spirit still fire 1 weapon the same turn it performs a tank shock?

You can move UP TO, same as any other move. Move 0.000001" towards and you satisfy the rule.

You can move up to the full 6" if that's what you roll, but you are required to budge them a fraction at the very least. Ok, that rule actually makes sense now.

Anyone know about the tank shock and PoTmS question?

Yeah you can shoot. That is the way we have always played it. As PotMS lets you fire one weapon you would normally not be allowed to. Thus that + extra armor gives you the equivilent of daemonic possesion on a vindicator...good fun. Ok so you have to scooch a tiny tiny bit to fullfuill that part but that shouldn't make that much of a difference.
Walrus I have never noticed that part before. I just read the earlier part. Thanks for the heads up.

Alright, I was always curious about that, just because of the ruling on smoke.

You use smoke in the movement phase, it takes away your ability to shoot, and potms doesn't work. Tank shocking is done in the movement phase, takes away your ability to shoot, and ???

If it has never been faq'ed against it, then yes, it appears potms still let's you shoot. Thanks!

No smoke was done seperately. You still cannot shoot if you pop smoke as that is done in the shooting phase. I would still double check me on the ramming thing. The faqs can all be gotten from GWs site. Most people won't argue it since C:SM can but this is YMDC so your bound to find someone.

Artemo wrote:Ah, yes, I see, sorry. My impression from playing templars is that , yes, they might flee from losing only one model (but they're far more likely to get a 'free' advance).

Space marines dont flee they use tactical withdrawal hehe. If I remember correctly they allso have somekind of *have no fear* rule that allows them regroup automaticly.

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nosferatu1001 wrote:Yes, he can join any normal unit. He can also join a command squad that a marshal / etc has joined.

"The Emperor's Champion always fights as an Independent Character and may never lead, join or be attatched to a Command squad." Page 31 of the Black Templars Codex under the "Always an Independent Character" rule. Thus, no joining Command squads, ever.

I'd just like to reiterate this. There is a bit of misinformation floating about in this thread. The EC can never be part of a Command Squad.

Akroma - no, not correct. Smoke is done at the end of your movement, NOT in the shooting phase. That was 4th ed.

So, does this change the way potms and tank shocking work then, for the reason I listed earlier? I'm a little unclear on this


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