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If I have two Libbies in a squad... can one jump the squad 24" and then the second jump the squad another 24"?

Not trying to be TFG... but if not, can you give page #s for the reasoning?

RAW I see no reason you can't.

It says the power happens at the beginning of the librarians movement phase, so 1 could definitely be used. But it's still the beginning of the phase, because one of the powers has to be used first, and from there you could use the other power.

So yeah sure, you could do it.

I''m now thinking about the hilarity of a squad teleporting across the board with 6 librarians in a apocalypse game.

Actually everything that occurs "at the beginning" of a phase would occur simultaneously. If they occurred sequentially as the OP asks then the second casting would not have occurred "at the beginning" of the Movement phase. Therefore it is not possible to do what the OP asks and use two Librarians to move the unit twice as far.

Ghaz wrote:Actually everything that occurs "at the beginning" of a phase would occur simultaneously. If they occurred sequentially as the OP asks then the second casting would not have occurred "at the beginning" of the Movement phase. Therefore it is not possible to do what the OP asks and use two Librarians to move the unit twice as far.

But by that logic, once one Libby gated 1 squad a second Libby couldn't gate a second squad... right?

Lobukia wrote:But by that logic, once one Libby gated 1 squad a second Libby couldn't gate a second squad... right?

It says at the start of the Librarian's movement, not the player's. Each librarian has a start of its movement

I think the question becomes, can you gate a unit that has already moved?

edit:
The power states it moves "using the deepstrike rules"

The deepstrike rules state:
"In the Movement phase when they arrive, these units
may not move any further, other than to disembark
from a deep striking transport vehicle."

My guess, looking at RAW, is no since the unit may 'move no further' after it gets deep struck by the librarian using gate. That answer also falls in line with the other teleportation powers that I'm aware of (can't chain monolith portals for example, or veil and then monolith portal).

As always, I'm willing to eat my words as long as someone can provide some evidence to the contrary... and a drink

WanderingFox wrote:I think the question becomes, can you gate a unit that has already moved?

Or, by extension, can a Libby that has been placed via Deep Strike, use a movement phase power?

It says at the start of the Librarian's movement, not the player's. Each librarian has a start of its movement.

And by being in the same squad their movement is simultaneous which again prevents you from using two castinha to get double the distance.

I was answering Lobukia, Ghaz, but yes that would also prevent them from moving twice. However, I think the deep striking rules are probably the more elegant reasoning.

Ghaz wrote:

It says at the start of the Librarian's movement, not the player's. Each librarian has a start of its movement.

And by being in the same squad their movement is simultaneous which again prevents you from using two castinha to get double the distance.

Just thinking out loud, the FAQ does say that if you use the same psychic ability twice on the same squad, the effect stacks. Could I not see this as GotI being used twice and then playing out the effects twice, instead of doing one GotI and then doing the second?

See my edit to my post 2 or 3 up.

Once they use the power the squad is using the deep strike rules. Deep strike states it may not move after being deep struck except to disembark from a deep striking transport. In short, once the power is used the unit may no longer move that turn.

I was answering Lobukia, Ghaz, but yes that would also prevent them from moving twice. However, I think the deep striking rules are probably the more elegant reasoning.

And I was simply restating my position in light of the actual wording of the rule. As for the deep striking rules being the more 'elegant' reasoning I don't agree.

Just thinking out loud, the FAQ does say that if you use the same psychic ability twice on the same squad, the effect stacks. Could I not see this as GotI being used twice and then playing out the effects twice, instead of doing one GotI and then doing the second?

Stacking is not the same as playing them sequentially. They both go off simultaneously with both moving the unit from the same starting point.

Remember that GoI does not replace normal movement.

Also remember there is no such thing as "The Librarians movement phase"

So things that happen at the start of the movement phase, have to be used before anything normal happens.

I see nothing disallowing one Librarian to use Gate, then the other librarian in the same squad use gate as well.

The squad has deep struck once GoI finishes, as per the wording of GoI. Specifically, it says to use the deep strike rules.

The rules of deep strike state that the unit may not move again.

Another way to look at it would be that if the second librarian in the unit is GoI'd by the first, it has now 'moved' and it is no longer the beginning of its movement phase.

If there is a FAQ entry someplace that I missed that states that the unit can move as normal after GoI then I will concede my point. Otherwise the deep strike rules would prevent it, or at least that is how I'm reading it.

And again, why are you resolving them sequentially when they occur at the exact same time? Its like a squads shooting. They all shoot at the same time. You don't shoot with the heavy weapon and then rapid fire and assault weapons.

Ghaz wrote:And again, why are you resolving them sequentially when they occur at the exact same time? Its like a squads shooting. They all shoot at the same time. You don't shoot with the heavy weapon and then rapid fire and assault weapons.

But we do resolve blast hits from the same squad sequentially, because it involves scattering, just like Deep Striking

The results are still simultaneous. Basically what you're trying to do is akin to firing one weapon at a time and applying its results before you fire the next weapon in the same squad.

As Ghaz said: you resolve the scatter sequentially because you cant physcially resolve them simultaneously. They do actually happen at the same time.