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Searching turns up all sorts of easily answerable JOWW questions. SW FAQ deals with most of that.

My question is this:
How high up does the hairline extend off of the board? All the way up, or just along the same level that the rune priest is standing on?

The language reads "Straight line along the board....ending 24 inches away.... can pass through terrain.... etc"
Obviously that is a paraphrase, but for the purpose of "what if", what if:

The rune priest was standing on level ground, firing at a unit that was on the second, or even third floor of a building?

Or

Can the rune priest fire down off of the second/third floor at a unit on the ground floor?



Hopefully this isn't too obvious of a question, but my personal opinion is that it shouldn't be able to. It opens up on the ground before the priest, and goes along the board. Along seems to mean parallel and tangental to the surface that the rune priest is standing on.

Hmm, I guess the question here is "is the JOTWW line a template?"

Not specifically, no. It is a hairline placed along the board.

By definition of "along", and not merely saying 24" range is where my issue is coming from.

Does it have to climb? Is that included in the distance?
It would have to be for Marines that are walking along the board

Given the nature of what the power does (creates a crack in the world that swallows units) I would say that models up off the main board level are safe from the power being cast from ground level. However if it was being cast from say the top of a 3story building and there is an enemy model on the second floor in front of the rune priest then I would say they would get hit. I'm not sure I have rules to support that but that's how I feel it should be played

A line would be at ground level. If it extended up, it wouldn't be a line, but a plane which intersects the gaming board at a 90° angle.

The rule says that you trace a straight line "along the board". It is not free to move in 3 dimensions as it has to be straight. And, it is confined to move in the plane of the board.

So, a model on a level other than ground level can't be hit by Jaws. And, a Rune Priest on a level other than ground level, can't cast Jaws.

Also, you're safe from it if you're standing on a hill, or a rock, or anything like that on ground level, as the line passes beneath you.

Rule says you can draw a line "through" Terrain. So I would say it does not matter where you are on the terrain (above or below the Rune Priest) if the line goes through your model it must take an initiative test.

Awesome. Pretty much what I was expecting, and definitely what I was wanting in terms of a ruling. Just a line, and straight along the board.

So against SW, my tervigons are going to go in a multistory building, up a level, and set up the nursery there.
Thanks guys. /Thread.

Postscript: it is possible for a straight line to move in 3 dimensions. For example, a straight line along the surface of the earth going from the North pole down the prime meridian to the equator. Straight line, but with a curve to it as well.
If you took a 90 degree turn left at the equator and kept going the same distance, followed by another left, you would eventually make a "triangle" that had a sum of the angles as 270 degrees.
I really hate discussing these kinds of things with Engineers, who will use wacky stuff like the above with a straight face.

Doomthumbs wrote:Postscript: it is possible for a straight line to move in 3 dimensions. For example, a straight line along the surface of the earth going from the North pole down the prime meridian to the equator. Straight line, but with a curve to it as well.
If you took a 90 degree turn left at the equator and kept going the same distance, followed by another left, you would eventually make a "triangle" that had a sum of the angles as 270 degrees.
I really hate discussing these kinds of things with Engineers, who will use wacky stuff like the above with a straight face.

It depends on if we're using Euclidean space or not. I've always assumed we are (using anything else will quickly make all of our heads hurt), so a line cannot curve along board features.


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Bikeninja wrote:Rule says you can draw a line "through" Terrain. So I would say it does not matter where you are on the terrain (above or below the Rune Priest) if the line goes through your model it must take an initiative test.

Well, the line never goes through the model (unless your model is physically inside the gameboard). At most, the line is going to tangentially touch the bottom of the model's base. But, touching is all that is required of Jaws to hit the model, so that's not an issue.

Since its a PSA I dont see why you wouldnt be able to just choose a certain level that the Rune Priest has LOS of and just kind of gauge from above the Rune Priest.

Grakmar wrote:
It depends on if we're using Euclidean space or not. I've always assumed we are (using anything else will quickly make all of our heads hurt), so a line cannot curve along board features.

I know that. You know that. Space Wolf opponent? Does not know that, is also TFG.


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y0disisray wrote:Since its a PSA I dont see why you wouldnt be able to just choose a certain level that the Rune Priest has LOS of and just kind of gauge from above the Rune Priest.

Because the rule says from the rune priest, not from or above the rune priest.

You know... I'm not TFG or anything and if your units were sitting on the third floor listening to the lovely elevator music as it took two turns to get to you, I wouldn't make you roll the I test. However, you are refering to how it must be drawn from the rune priest and I happen to know that you can fire it from a firing port. So... let the space puppy hate commence!

grakmar, it never specifies the height of the line. It says it must be along (as in parallel) and it must be straight. That doesn't mean the line can't be an inch above the board surface

If it's from a firing port, the vehicle counts as the rune priest for "from the rune priest".

A"line" by definition does not have a height higher than the thickness of a point. Same with width. Otherwise it's a rhombus.