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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/31 17:25:26
Subject: Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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As title implies.
Did all Primarchs inherent some of the Emperors awesome powers?
The ones I can confirm are Magnus, Lorgar and Corax (without much thought)
So yeah, discuss!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/31 17:26:28
Subject: Re:Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Sanguinius, Leman Russ, and the Night Haunter also exhibited psychic powers.
Not all of them did, however.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/31 17:41:07
Subject: Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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Angron, Mortarion and Russ were definitely not psykers. Fulgrim may have been, as he had psychic shields that he lowered to allow a daemon to possess him.
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Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. You can play the best chess in the world, but at the end of the day the pigeon will still knock all the pieces off the board and then gak all over it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/31 17:45:33
Subject: Re:Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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DarknessEternal wrote:Sanguinius, Leman Russ, and the Night Haunter also exhibited psychic powers.
Not all of them did, however.
Sanguinus could see the future, Russ had that shout thing, but what did the Night Haunter do.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/31 18:22:17
Subject: Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Blew up a prison.
Forgot about that one, I love the dark king :3
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/08/31 18:22:30
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/31 18:23:51
Subject: Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Despised Traitorous Cultist
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Durza wrote:Angron, Mortarion and Russ were definitely not psykers. Fulgrim may have been, as he had psychic shields that he lowered to allow a daemon to possess him.
Didn't Angron have some sort of a telephatic chat with Sanguinius during the siege of the emperor's palace?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/31 18:24:44
Subject: Re:Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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Nicholas wrote:DarknessEternal wrote:Sanguinius, Leman Russ, and the Night Haunter also exhibited psychic powers.
Not all of them did, however.
Sanguinus could see the future, Russ had that shout thing, but what did the Night Haunter do.
Russ was rumoured to be able to see the future but i'm not sure if that was just him being lucky...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/31 18:28:03
Subject: Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Or drunk.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/31 18:28:39
Subject: Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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Very drunk as befits the primarch of the Space Wolves...
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/31 18:30:31
Subject: Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Given that they're all the offspring of the Emperor, the most powerful psyker in human history, I think it's safe to say all of them are potent psykers but some more then others and some like Angron really never developed their psychic capabilities.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/31 18:30:49
Subject: Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Lieutenant Colonel
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I think horus was a psyker. Not sure, but I think he was.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/31 18:30:56
Subject: Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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Angron won't be a psychic because khore hates psychics and Mortarion has psychic powers now but non before the heresy.
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Tali'Zorah: I appreciate what you're doing here, Shepard.
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Tali'Zorah: Hmm.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/31 18:30:59
Subject: Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Angron's ability is making himself even more pissed?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/31 19:11:37
Subject: Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Sanguinus possessed the ability of farsight.
Night Haunter also possessed this, it however manifested itself in painful dreams, like the ones Talos has in the Night Lords books.
Magnus is obvious.
Lorgar had visions of the Emperor's arrival on Colchis. They pained and scared him, and his true psychic potential was never truly mastered.
No idea about the rest.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/31 19:12:49
Subject: Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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iproxtaco wrote:
Lorgar had visions of the Emperor's arrival on Colchis. They pained and scared him, and his true psychic potential was never truly mastered.
Untill he turned and stopped being afraid of using it
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/31 19:15:25
Subject: Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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So far it has manifested in situations of high emotion, talking to Magnus about taking the Pilgrimage, and when fighting Corax. On the latter occasion, it just manifested as a blinding golden light, that never really did anything else. It soon dissipated
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/31 19:22:40
Subject: Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Fair enoguh
As for Corax.
In Raven's Flight you learn that he has an ability only the Emperor knows about.
He can turn invisible, not like invisible you can't see me anymore, but he will effect everyones mind to not notice him anymore. Scanners and machines still see him perfectly well.
He walks through the ranks of Iron Warriors without being noticed this way... while crying (hah!)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/31 19:26:44
Subject: Re:Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Russ' shout is described as definitely a psychic attack.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/31 20:17:21
Subject: Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Water-Caste Negotiator
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Think all of them are/were latent psykers, and only a couple truly developed them (some in strange but peculiar ways like Russ' shout).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/31 20:58:38
Subject: Re:Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Death-Dealing Devastator
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Dorn, alapharuis/omegaon, lion, khan have not shown any psychic talents
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/08/31 22:41:35
Subject: Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Stubborn Hammerer
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Nor has Vulkan.
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Dwarves - 3000+ Points (The Best Army in the entire universe)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/01 01:42:38
Subject: Re:Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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Fists of the emperor wrote:Dorn, alapharuis/omegaon, lion, khan have not shown any psychic talents
Actually, the Lion has.
In Descent of Angels, Zahariel, a Space Marine Librarian, is able to see Warp energy flowing around him. He then notes that he suspected the Lion did as well, because his gaze was following the path of the Warp-smoke directly.
I personally think that all the Primarchs had a measure of psychic potential, Magnus of course being the one with the greatest and who embraced it the most, but others are explicitly shown to, and ironically, Leman Russ did as well, the flare of his rage manifesting as a psychic shockwave. Others that have been mentioned have demonstrated evidence of psychic power. I have the theory that the general "aura" described as surrounding the Primarchs, mentioned basically any time one shows up, is psychic in nature, but this is all conjecture on my part.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/01 13:42:45
Subject: Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Hellacious Havoc
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Harriticus wrote:Given that they're all the offspring of the Emperor, the most powerful psyker in human history, I think it's safe to say all of them are potent psykers but some more then others and some like Angron really never developed their psychic capabilities.
I'm going to agree with this.
Each of the primarchs probably do have a perfectly good ability to utilise psychic power. But it comes down to whether or not said primarch mentally chooses to tap into their innate abilities.
Angron being one of the ones that probably never thought about it because he was forever focused on physical slaughter rather then what he probably thought was a pile of poop... For lack of a better expression.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/01 13:48:17
Subject: Re:Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Monstrous Master Moulder
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This is interesting, and brought something to the forefront of my memory. In Mechanicum, didn't it mention that Terra had lots of Shaman, and as they all died their conscious and powers merged until The Emperor came into being? So he could have fractioned off some of his power to the Primarchs. What if he had done that again before he met Horus in their final battle? That would be an interesting plot twist.
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"Orkses never lost a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fighting so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!"
I dig how in a setting where giant, muscled fungus men ride Mad Max cars and use their own teeth as currency, the concept of little engineering dudes with beards was considered a step too far down the aisle of silliness. ADB |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/01 14:36:14
Subject: Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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I don't remember that in Mechanicum, but I could be wrong. I suppose it's possible, maybe created the GKs around this time, but siphoning his power just before a confrontation for the fate of humanity just seems a bit silly for the Emperor
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Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. You can play the best chess in the world, but at the end of the day the pigeon will still knock all the pieces off the board and then gak all over it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/01 14:49:09
Subject: Re:Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Monstrous Master Moulder
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Not that silly, there is a similar story in the bible  JC knew he was going to die.
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"Orkses never lost a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fighting so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!"
I dig how in a setting where giant, muscled fungus men ride Mad Max cars and use their own teeth as currency, the concept of little engineering dudes with beards was considered a step too far down the aisle of silliness. ADB |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/01 15:12:53
Subject: Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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But he was meant to die. The Emperor never seemed like he'd accept death.
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Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. You can play the best chess in the world, but at the end of the day the pigeon will still knock all the pieces off the board and then gak all over it. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/01 15:13:11
Subject: Re:Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Ultramarine Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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All of the primarchs definitely have some tie to the warp. There are lots of other hints, as previous posters mentioned - general psychic sensitivity or some other kind of latent psychic power is exhibited by just about every primarch. Also, I believe it's in First Heretic where they allude to
That combined with the fact that just making 20 of them seemed to be a nearly impossible task seems to indicate they aren't just a product of genetic manipulation. Even more telling, when Ferrus Manus is beheaded on Istvaan IV, warp energy is described as flowing from his neck.
It seems like the primarchs are all naturally infused with warp power, on such a low level that it's like a part of their biology. Yes they're big, and they have some pretty advanced physiology, but their toughness and strength alone are beyond what a purely organic creature could probably ever do. When you think of it this way, they all could possess latent abilities that are always active (impossible strength, speed, future-sight, rapid healing of nearly any wound, awe-inspiring aura, etc), which actually makes the primarchs seem sort of plausible. In my opinion, the primarchs could probably be considered the Emperor's own daemon princes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/01 15:16:12
Subject: Re:Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Dakka Veteran
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Dez wrote:Not that silly, there is a similar story in the bible  JC knew he was going to die.
Sanguinus was the one that knew he would die, as he could see the future. Big E fully expected Horus to repent even during the fight.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/01 15:52:50
Subject: Re:Are all Primarchs Psykers?
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Fixture of Dakka
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CalgarsPimpHand wrote: Also, I believe it's in First Heretic where they allude to
It's a daemon who said that. If you believe daemons, you probably also believe bridge salesmen.
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Durza wrote:. I suppose it's possible, maybe created the GKs around this time,
The Grey Knights were created by Malcador. The Big E just stamped his approval on the idea and otherwise had nothing to do with it.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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