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I hear that there is a good chance that we are going to get Necrons back, and I love my Necrons (mainly the fluff and feel but not the rules as much.) However one of the rumors is that the Immortals will have 40mm bases instead of the current 25mm. All talk of rumors aside, what are the implications of such a thing.

I am inclined to believe that the larger bases will make close combat harder in large groups. It also seems that disembarking would also be a bit harder in large groups. I only say this because of my Terminator experiences coming out of a land raider. However, I can’t think of any other main difference. Perhaps I am missing something.

Also… A hypothetical. Let’s pretend that they do change the base size of a unit from 25mm to 40mm in a new codex. Should I rebase all of my current (and older) models to the new base size or should I just use what I got since the old model came with the smaller base.

40 mm bases mean that Immortals will be tougher to hide or keep in area terrain, as for your 2nd point regarding assault, it is a myth.

Lastly, you have to resize your bases to the bigger ones because of the advantage mentioned above.

I just checked the rulebook, and what it says for base size is this;

"Citadel miniatures are normally supplied with a plastic base. If so, they must be glued onto their bases before they can be used in the game.
Some players like to mount their models on impressive scenic bases.As mounting your models on different sized bases might affect the way they interact with the rules, make sure before the fame that your opponent dos not mind this."

As there is no specific rule regarding upgrading to current bases, I would suggest you make sure the base size is okay with your opponent. I know people who still use the 3rd edition Heavy Weapons teams for IG, and have seen the old Predator tanks on the gaming table. I don't think it would be a problem with most gamers.

Thaanos wrote:I just checked the rulebook, and what it says for base size is this;

"Citadel miniatures are normally supplied with a plastic base. If so, they must be glued onto their bases before they can be used in the game.
Some players like to mount their models on impressive scenic bases.As mounting your models on different sized bases might affect the way they interact with the rules, make sure before the fame that your opponent dos not mind this."

As there is no specific rule regarding upgrading to current bases, I would suggest you make sure the base size is okay with your opponent. I know people who still use the 3rd edition Heavy Weapons teams for IG, and have seen the old Predator tanks on the gaming table. I don't think it would be a problem with most gamers.

... while true It depends it if the rest of the model stays the same. Grotesques and battle wagons for example have changed a lot. While they can be used for other things I would become TFG if i used what they were.

Yuber wrote:
Lastly, you have to resize your bases to the bigger ones because of the advantage mentioned above.

Do you have a rules-quote for that?

Yuber wrote:
Lastly, you have to resize your bases to the bigger ones because of the advantage mentioned above.

That is actually against the rules. The rules require you to put models on the bases they came with. The only modifications allowed being for "scenic" bases.

yea, use your origional base. if you don't use the included base you technically are breaking the rules. there are teminators out there that came with the origional smaller base. if you have these origional models they are legal for tourney play.

keep the base it came with imo if anybody complains remind them it came with that base and you'd be breaking the rules if you did rebase

I have ten metal Immortals. If the new models (if we even get new models, i'm praying that we do) come on 40mm bases (which again might not be true) I will probably buy a 1" drill bit from lowes, drill the centers of some 40mm bases and drop my immortals i have already painted/based into the larger slots. I'm not required to do so but it will give my army a more uniform look and appeal which i desire.

Anybody telling you that you MUST rebase your old models is full of baloney. I know people who played rogue trader and still have 25mm terminators. You want to know how it has changed our games? Not one bit.

Tri wrote:

Thaanos wrote:I just checked the rulebook, and what it says for base size is this;

"Citadel miniatures are normally supplied with a plastic base. If so, they must be glued onto their bases before they can be used in the game.
Some players like to mount their models on impressive scenic bases.As mounting your models on different sized bases might affect the way they interact with the rules, make sure before the fame that your opponent dos not mind this."

As there is no specific rule regarding upgrading to current bases, I would suggest you make sure the base size is okay with your opponent. I know people who still use the 3rd edition Heavy Weapons teams for IG, and have seen the old Predator tanks on the gaming table. I don't think it would be a problem with most gamers.

... while true It depends it if the rest of the model stays the same. Grotesques and battle wagons for example have changed a lot. While they can be used for other things I would become TFG if i used what they were.

You are not TFG just because you are using older models. You are not required to go out and repurchase your entire army everything GW does a line change.

jbunny wrote: You are not TFG just because you are using older models. You are not required to go out and repurchase your entire army everything GW does a line change.

... In the examples i've show you are. The old models just do not link with the new rules. If you have old Ork trukks or the tiny Eldar Avatar, you really need to get the new models and use the old ones for something else (for example a buggy and a farseer). You may, just may, have a good gaming group that will let you proxy these models as the new ones but at a tournament, you'd not stand a chance.

In addition to making it harder to keep the squad in cover, larger bases have an impact vs template weapons.

A flamer template will not hit as many models with larger bases. If your models are clumped, then blast templates will not hit as many models.

They will also have a larger footprint on the table. This means that if you spam 30 of the models, then its possible you will not have enough space for all the models due to terrain before they start blocking their own ability to fire.

I play with a marine bike army, and the larger bases have often been a problem for me.

Tri wrote:

jbunny wrote: You are not TFG just because you are using older models. You are not required to go out and repurchase your entire army everything GW does a line change.

... In the examples i've show you are. The old models just do not link with the new rules. If you have old Ork trukks or the tiny Eldar Avatar, you really need to get the new models and use the old ones for something else (for example a buggy and a farseer). You may, just may, have a good gaming group that will let you proxy these models as the new ones but at a tournament, you'd not stand a chance.

Can you cite any rules for this please?

Tri wrote:

jbunny wrote: You are not TFG just because you are using older models. You are not required to go out and repurchase your entire army everything GW does a line change.

... In the examples i've show you are. The old models just do not link with the new rules. If you have old Ork trukks or the tiny Eldar Avatar, you really need to get the new models and use the old ones for something else (for example a buggy and a farseer). You may, just may, have a good gaming group that will let you proxy these models as the new ones but at a tournament, you'd not stand a chance.

I'd say you're TFG for not letting people use official GW models

Tri wrote:

jbunny wrote: You are not TFG just because you are using older models. You are not required to go out and repurchase your entire army everything GW does a line change.

... In the examples i've show you are. The old models just do not link with the new rules. If you have old Ork trukks or the tiny Eldar Avatar, you really need to get the new models and use the old ones for something else (for example a buggy and a farseer). You may, just may, have a good gaming group that will let you proxy these models as the new ones but at a tournament, you'd not stand a chance.

an ork player a few weeks ago used 2 old school battle wagons in an ard boys. same event had a player using old metla termies on the smaller bases... both had no problems

official gw models are always ok in all official tournies, and if somebody isn't lettig them in a private event that's thier choice but it'd be a dick move

Steelmage99 wrote:

Yuber wrote:
Lastly, you have to resize your bases to the bigger ones because of the advantage mentioned above.

Do you have a rules-quote for that?

Nope, there is no rule in the rulebook that says so whatsoever. But hey if you want to be RAW just to have an advantage against other players, and they dont have a problem with it, go to town.

And if you really think it doesn't have any difference in the game, I feel sad for you.

Yuber wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:

Yuber wrote:
Lastly, you have to resize your bases to the bigger ones because of the advantage mentioned above.

Do you have a rules-quote for that?

Nope, there is no rule in the rulebook that says so whatsoever. But hey if you want to be RAW just to have an advantage against other players, and they dont have a problem with it, go to town.

And if you really think it doesn't have any difference in the game, I feel sad for you.

The differences it has in game only matter to people who bleed RAW in the first place and can't play the game to have a fun, narrative time. I feel sad for them, actually.

G00fySmiley wrote:

Tri wrote:

jbunny wrote: You are not TFG just because you are using older models. You are not required to go out and repurchase your entire army everything GW does a line change.

... In the examples i've show you are. The old models just do not link with the new rules. If you have old Ork trukks or the tiny Eldar Avatar, you really need to get the new models and use the old ones for something else (for example a buggy and a farseer). You may, just may, have a good gaming group that will let you proxy these models as the new ones but at a tournament, you'd not stand a chance.

an ork player a few weeks ago used 2 old school battle wagons in an ard boys. same event had a player using old metla termies on the smaller bases... both had no problems

official gw models are always ok in all official tournies, and if somebody isn't lettig them in a private event that's thier choice but it'd be a dick move

It's modelling for an advantage ... no different then a player that makes a crawling wraithlord. The game is permissive If you agree to it then any things fine but I see no reason you can't easily rebase or use models for a role that they match more.

If you see any old dark eldar grotesque I'm sure you'll be complaining about the LOS issues they have.

Except the fact that grotesques is a weird example since it is a HUGE change. Its like as if terminators looked like imperial guard back then and then suddenly turned into what they are today. Most updates arent like that

kenshin620 wrote:Except the fact that grotesques is a weird example since it is a HUGE change. Its like as if terminators looked like imperial guard back then and then suddenly turned into what they are today. Most updates arent like that

Note that we don't know that they'll stay the same and all my other examples are also massive changes. (also old terminator are smaller ... if only very slightly)

The most immediate difference (to me as an ork player) is that you can disembark and effectively be 15mm closer to the enemy for shooting and assaults.