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Why is every thread you start inane.

Yeah the Army Painter thread was pretty epic. It still has my Trolldar pinging. You missed the "make my friend stop changing armies" thread started by our Dark Angels, no Blood Angels, no Tau, no Templar and bash DA...OP.

I had to physically contain myself when I saw a rather dignified and generally unsnarky guy who plays IG finish whipping a Puppies army and calmly look his munchkin opponent (a WAAC cries when he loses player) in the eyes and say, "just call me the dog catcher"
I love seeing SW players put in thier place.

Brother Azul wrote:
True dat my robe wearing battle brother. Blood angels are more emo then emos are.

Dark Angels are far superior for a number of reasons.
1. We are one of the original 20 legions. Maybel if you make a list like this it should start with something that isn't patently untrue. I can't even tell if you're bashing BA or BT anymore but since both are second founding they both are members of the original 20 legions. Eremiel was right to make his change, at least it's right.
2. We get funky robes and green power armour, the best colour armour. running around wearing dresses is shared by whom, oh yes BTs, and the original legion armor of DA , black...weird
3. We have a purpose in life (find the fallen, who you aint supposed to know about), while BT just travel the galaxy mindless slaughtering anything with special powers.
4. We managed to defeat Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka without the help of 23 other chapters and 20 Imperial guard regiments and other assorted imperial forces. it's a good thing they put on all thier plot armor in Kadillus so that Boreas, Nester, Hephestus et al could get outsmarted by cypher and commit suicide
5. ?????
6. Profit.

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I might have said
1. First of the Legions
2. More ancient plasma weapon than anyone else
3. Deathwing
4. Ravenwing
4. Ironwing
5. Disagree and we'll interrogate you.

Brother Azul wrote:

1. We are one of the original 20 legions. Maybel if you make a list like this it should start with something that isn't patently untrue. I can't even tell if you're bashing BA or BT anymore but since both are second founding they both are members of the original 20 legions. Eremiel was right to make his change, at least it's right.

I am aware the BT are 2nd founding but Blood Angels are 1st founding are they not.

I have somewhat of a bone of contention with the namesake chapters continuing to call themselves 1st founding. The chapters of the second founding were still part of the original legion, so either they are really first founding, or the namesakes are second. Since the 2nd founding was a total shake up of their organizational and doctrinal structure namesake legions like Imperial Fists, Blood Angels, and Dark Angels were basically re-founded. So by technical canon, yes BA are first founding, but that means you are discounting the heritage of 2nd founding chapters that were original legion members. Just cause they have new names doesn't make them any less original legion members.

2. We get funky robes and green power armour, the best colour armour. running around wearing dresses is shared by whom, oh yes BTs, and the original legion armor of DA , black...weird

BT wear tabards. Robes and tabards are different things.
TABARD ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabard
ROBE--------> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robe

Yeah, I know the difference. that's why I said "dresses"

The black armour was too conformist so we decided to change up.

Umm, or to invade Caliban, wreck your homeworld and kill your brothers.

4. We managed to defeat Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka without the help of 23 other chapters and 20 Imperial guard regiments and other assorted imperial forces. it's a good thing they put on all thier plot armor in Kadillus so that Boreas, Nester, Hephestus et al could get outsmarted by cypher and commit suicide

Touché.

I might have said
1. First of the Legions
2. More ancient plasma weapon than anyone else
3. Deathwing
4. Ravenwing
4. Ironwing
5. Disagree and we'll interrogate you.

What is the Ironwing. I am not familar with that term. Although I cant argue with 2 or 5. Starting to wish i had of thought of them

The Ironwing is from Epic mostly, it's basically everything that isnt DW or RW. In 40k its genrally made to be like an Armoured Company for DA.

Brother Azul wrote:That's an interesting take on the issue. Don't know how well it would go down with the wider 40k community though.

Other than the pesky "founding" issue the legacy of ALL 2nd founding Chapters is in a Legion. That's straight canon, the first chapters that didn't fight in the Legions were 3rd founding as they were created rather than reorganized.

Brother Azul wrote:Think of it less as invading and more of a coming home and finding our house trashed by people we don't know, with which we proceeded to throw them out. Forcefully.

Or more properly coming home to find the guy who pays 50% of the rent in your house and attacking him for playing Journey on the radio.

Brother Azul wrote:So the iron wing a specific force? Say like combat squads all in Razorbacks or Tac squads in rhinos/landraiders.

Kind of, yeah. I honestly cant even remember if they were formally included in 40k. Generally the Ironwing is precieved like the RW all tanks, so the only playable way to do it would be to mech everyone. But the Epic rules didnt actually require you to take vehicles, you could run all tacs and devs and foot slog.

woodbok wrote:So much red text on this page... Giving me a headache.

Mission Accomplished. Actually I just couldnt read in blue or yellow and green irritates MY eyes.

Lord of Baal wrote:

AustonT wrote:Yeah the Army Painter thread was pretty epic. It still has my Trolldar pinging. You missed the "make my friend stop changing armies" thread started by our Dark Angels, no Blood Angels, no Tau, no Templar and bash DA...OP.

Um yeah it doesn't mean I change armies, for I am a collector. I collect, model, and paint better then I play by a long shot. I don't really need too big of an army if I don't play as much. I chose Lord of Baal for epic Blood Angel fluff. Tau pic because that is my first army, and Black Templars because I like their chapter a bunch. Come on, I know I don't make very good threads ad stuff but I am only a beginner and I don't really do forums that much. Can't you give a kid almost 10 years younger than you a break? Really, Inane?

Oh, just for fun I'll answer these backwards.
Yes inane, lacking in significance. See also banal.
Your not, "almost" a decade younger than than me you are "more than". And I won't give you a break because you misrepresent yourself (see further below) and I don't believe age should shield you from answering for your actions.
As for your explanation of your mismatched name and pic you changed your name when you army jumped, and now yakface wont let you change again to your interest of the week.
If you were a collector you wouldn't post looking for army list help and how to build DA, BA, then Tau. I can only assume "help starting a BT army" is only hours away.
I hope that clears up any confusion

Before there is a new DA codex I hate to even endorse this but a counts as BA force would work best. In apoc you could run DW and RW to get your DA characters and run the counts as for the fast tanks as an Ironwing.

Lord of Baal wrote:Black Templars have already been supreme, and always will be.

DAMN YOU GRAMMAR NAZI!
This sentence is improperly constructed. The use of the past tense implies that the statement is currently not operative. The use of the infinitive implies that at some point the statement will be true.

Asherian Command wrote:
But the Dark Angels vs Templars.
Angels win because of how many damn chapters they have under their command.
Templars would win in a straight up fight though.
Really matters what the OP perfers.

Really because in some contrived everyone vs everyone dogpile just the named DA successors in the codex AT LEAST equal to the number of the entire assembled Crusades of the BT. Not counting any kind of wierd ass archaeotech the DA are hiding, or the fact that its more than loosely implied that the DA have already offed about a companies worth of BT, but no real word on the composition of the DA force. Still leaves DA:1 BT:0

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

AustonT wrote:
Really because in some contrived everyone vs everyone dogpile just the named DA successors in the codex AT LEAST equal to the number of the entire assembled Crusades of the BT. Not counting any kind of wierd ass archaeotech the DA are hiding, or the fact that its more than loosely implied that the DA have already offed about a companies worth of BT, but no real word on the composition of the DA force. Still leaves DA:1 BT:0

Wow, you beat one Strike Cruiser with a bunch of your own ships. Good job. That TOTALLY means that the Dark Angels fleet would beat the Black Templars'.

Yes because I was there to lay the smack down personally.

Asherian Command wrote:
Black templars have a massive fleet dude. The DA just by themselves with no successors.... BT win BT:2 DA:1

That's quite possibly the most ignorant thing I have heard all day, and I'm married. The DA act as no less of a legion than the BT do. That's why Azrael is the "Supreme" Grand Master.

Asherian Command wrote:
BT win BT:2 DA:1

Since you presented nothing to support this but you own opinion, it's useless.

@AlmightyWalrus English is not my first language (either?), so I come off a bit gruff even having grown up in an English speaking society. Don't sweat it.

@akkados I don't know if I can agree with your last sentence. DA are pretty weak on the table, the codex is only like 6 months (if that) newer than BT and it was weak then. Both have suffered a little from 5ed, but in truth the BT is a solid codex that is still viable today, DA are not. Want proof? looks at who shows up worldwide to GT and Ard Boyz. BT are still well represented where DA are almost nonexistant.

Actually the founding members of BT WERE IF and WERE at Terra so they are claiming thier own heroics.

Brother Azul wrote:Yes but those founding members were no longer Fists. While the still may have retained their allegiance to the progenitor chapter they were Templar's at the days end and while they still may have had the honour of being one of the defenders of the palace of Terra, their younger BT brethren could not claim to be Imperial Fists by any stretch. And they are most likely dead now anyway.


EDIT* - I hit submit instead of review. This is my full post.

No, you said they couldn't claim the merits of thier progenitor CHAPTER. they have not. 2nd founding chapters have claim to the actions of thier legion prior to thier reorganization as chapters. It's not like they sprung up out of nowhere, the belonged to a legion. This is like me telling you that now that your grandfather is dead; you are no longer related to him, or anyone before him in your line. It's a touch morbid but there it is.

@azul I feel like I've walked as far down this road as I'm willing to go. There's some kind of hang up here where either you don't understand how the second founding worked and how Space Marine legacies are traced, or simply refuse to believe that you might be wrong.

Why BA and DA harkens back to our army hopping OP.