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An IC and a squad of death company in a land raider. The land raider moves, then the death company disembarks. The IC wanted to remain embarked in the LR. My belief was that this was not legal because since the LR Moved, the disembarking death company could not move more than 2 inches away from the land raider by the end of the movement phase and therefore were still joined to the IC (measuring to the hull for embarked units). I felt that the IC would have had to disembark from a different access point to gain the 2 inches of seperation or disembark with the death company. But not one remains embarked and the other disembarks. Which is correct?

BRB pg. 67, right side.

The IC may chose to stay on board.

It seems to me that the question being asked is not whether or not the IC can stay in the transport, but rather whether or not he still counts as part of the unit, since, though the IC is in the transport and the unit is not, he's within 2' of the squad, which is the only criteria given for an IC being considered a member of the squad.

Personally, i'd say no, since the BGB specifically states that units can never be partially embarked. It's all or nothing.

Jidmah wrote:BRB pg. 67, right side.

The IC may chose to stay on board.

Yes, but it also says that they must end the movement phase more than 2 inches away from each other. Since the disembarking squad could not move (the LR had already moved) and in all cases where you have to measure to an embarked unit, you measure to the hull, there was no way for the IC to stay embarked and still be more than 2 inches away from each other.


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InnerLight wrote:It seems to me that the question being asked is not whether or not the IC can stay in the transport, but rather whether or not he still counts as part of the unit, since, though the IC is in the transport and the unit is not, he's within 2' of the squad, which is the only criteria given for an IC being considered a member of the squad.

Personally, i'd say no, since the BGB specifically states that units can never be partially embarked. It's all or nothing.

Exactly what I was trying to say, thank you.

jeremesh wrote:Yes, but it also says that they must end the movement phase more than 2 inches away from each other. Since the disembarking squad could not move (the LR had already moved) and in all cases where you have to measure to an embarked unit, you measure to the hull, there was no way for the IC to stay embarked and still be more than 2 inches away from each other.

Except the FaQ says otherwise:

Q: If an Independent Character is unable to end his
move over 2” away from a friendly unit that he cannot
join, for example he has exited a vehicle after it has
moved, can he be placed? (p48)
A: Yes, simply place him as far away from the unit(s)
that he cannot join as he is allowed to go

So you place the squad as normal for disembarking and they are no longer the same unit, so the IC can stay on the transport.

FaQ found Here Page 3, left column second to last question.

Except the FaQ says otherwise:

Q: If an Independent Character is unable to end his
move over 2” away from a friendly unit that he cannot
join, for example he has exited a vehicle after it has
moved, can he be placed? (p48)
A: Yes, simply place him as far away from the unit(s)
that he cannot join as he is allowed to go

So you place the squad as normal for disembarking and they are no longer the same unit, so the IC can stay on the transport.

FaQ found Here Page 3, left column second to last question.

No, you disembark as normal, so you have to stay within 2" of the vehicle after the vehicle moves and the unit disembarks.

2" is "as far away from the unit(s) that he cannot join as he is allowed to go" you can not go any further, because of the rules for disembarking.

DeathReaper wrote:No, you disembark as normal, so you have to stay within 2" of the vehicle after the vehicle moves and the unit disembarks.

2" is "as far away from the unit(s) that he cannot join as he is allowed to go" you can not go any further, because of the rules for disembarking.

Not trying to be argumentative, just want to make sure I completely understand this. I think what you are saying is that disembarking allows you to be up to 2" away so that satisfies the 2" of separation rule. In the case of a lot of models (15 man death company coming out of a crusader and leaving the IC onboard) there was not enough room to get all the models out and be 2" away, so I had models right up against the LR.

So if it's not possible to have the disembarking models 2" away from the LR, now what? The unit is not 2" away from the embarked IC so what happens?

Pg. 66 'The entire unit must be embarked on a transport if any part of it is - the unit may never be partially embarked...'

Given that you have specific permission to disembark a squad and leave the IC in the van I'm sure you can figure out the rest.

jeremesh wrote:

Not trying to be argumentative, just want to make sure I completely understand this. I think what you are saying is that disembarking allows you to be up to 2" away so that satisfies the 2" of separation rule. In the case of a lot of models (15 man death company coming out of a crusader and leaving the IC onboard) there was not enough room to get all the models out and be 2" away, so I had models right up against the LR.

So if it's not possible to have the disembarking models 2" away from the LR, now what? The unit is not 2" away from the embarked IC so what happens?

You have to re-read the rule Jidmah referred to, particularly the first paragraph top right on page 67.

The character and the unit can disembark separetly. To do this, one disembarks while the other stays aboard.

They can also disembark at the same time using different access points but must end their move 2" away from each other.

A character is not automatically joined to a unit that is within 2" of the vehicle the character is embarked in. This is backed up by the preceeding paragraph (page 67 lower left) which says if an IC and a unit are embarked in a transport, they are automatically joined or if either is embarked (the IC or the uit) the other may join them by embarking.

This is an exception to being within 2".