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First time I've put together a list like this, going against Eldar as well.

HQ-
Autarch- Wings, Banshee Mask, Power Weapon, Reaper Launcher= 128

Elite-
6x Fire Dragons- Exarch, Firepike, Tank Hunter, Crack Shot= 136
10x Howling Banshees- Exarch, Mirrorswords, War Shout, Acrobatic= 192

Troops-
10x Dire Avengers- Exarch, Power Weapon, Shimmershield, Blade Storm= 162
10x Dire Avengers- Exarch, Dual Catapaults, Blade Storm= 152

Fast-
5x Shining Spears- Exarch, Shuriken Cannon, Star Lance= 217

Heavy-
Falcon- Shuriken Cannon, SCatter Lasers= 140

Transports-
Wave Serpent- Shuriken Cannon, Scatter Lasers= 125
Wave Serpent- Shuriken Cannon, SCatter Lasers= 125
Wave Serpent- STar Cannons= 125


Any feed back would be awesome as this is my first list of Eldar.

I asssume the Autach is going with the Spears? In which case I would outfit him with Fusion gun, EJB, and probably the Laser Lance. This way he can also use the 6 inch assault move all EJB get to keep up with the Spears.

It looks like you're going to run the Fire Dragons in the Falcon. I'm not a huge fan of this since technically a Serpent can do what it does better for less points. I would minimize the Fire Dragon upgrades, and pop them in a serpent. Drop down a DAVU unit to 5 men and pop them in the Falcon with a EML to pop light vehicles from your home objective. Giving it the EML also gives you a defensive weapon you can fire on the move.

Lastly I would try and get Hit and Run on the Spears. They're only really close to being worth their points on the charge. So you need to be charging every chance you get.

All in all though this looks similar to the list I typically run, only with a EJB Farseer, minimized DAVU units and Guardian Jet Bikes instead of the Spears, though I have been itching to proxy some...

Hope this helps!

Edits: Early morning spelling errors

not a bad list heres my two cents

Autarch - madi. blasters fusion gun power weapon
Get a farseer if you want to be shooting heavy its got more uses and psyker defence

drop the spears and falcon then get fire prisms drop the fire pike the 1 shot 6 inches extra is not worth the points
drop the mirrion swords and stick with the exicutioner its gives the exarch more punch against T4 and up guys.
drop the melee build on your DA exarch with the farseer doom your shooting will be more that adiquate to demolish marines.

thats all if you have the models other than that like most things in WH40K its all about how you play and the local meta

I dont think that the autarch needs tha banshee mask. hes int 6 anyway so unles your fighting dark eldar youll strike first.

go for mandiblasters instead the extra attack will help

atlas_garon wrote:not a bad list heres my two cents

Autarch - madi. blasters fusion gun power weapon
Get a farseer if you want to be shooting heavy its got more uses and psyker defence

drop the spears and falcon then get fire prisms drop the fire pike the 1 shot 6 inches extra is not worth the points
drop the mirrion swords and stick with the exicutioner its gives the exarch more punch against T4 and up guys.
drop the melee build on your DA exarch with the farseer doom your shooting will be more that adiquate to demolish marines.

thats all if you have the models other than that like most things in WH40K its all about how you play and the local meta

I have tons of options, around 3000 points or more. So what you're saying is if I have a Farseer use him instead? I do have a Farseer but no Warlocks. Also, without my Falcon my Dragons are sitting ducks. I also had planned to attach my Autarch to the girls for a super potent CC group. Maybe the Fusion gun and Mandiblasters would be much smarter?

Instead of the melee build for my DA Exarch, would you double avenger shuriken catapults or keep the shimmershield but have a single catapult? Also, I could drop the Spears and bring a Fire Prism. WOuld that be better? Thanks for all the suggestions guys. I'm still learning this army but I feel like I've got a really good set of squads for a solid list.

My personal favorite autarch is blasters, fusion gun, power weapon and jump generator- then run him with a pack of spiders. Spiders are a bit better than spears in that they are cheaper and have great guns. Shinning spears are too frail, have too few attacks, and are utterly worthless if they don't charge.

As has been said- put your dragons in a serpent. Falcons are long range gun boats, why would you think putting a point blank melta squad in one is a good idea? Put a 5 man avenger squad in a missile falcon for a long range gunship which can happily claim an objective and fire off its heavy weapons.

I would avoid cc upgrades on DA since they are so bad at it. They can work on spiders because they are better protected with a 3+ and can withdraw to keep shooting.

theeldar sorry for not being very clear but yes focus the shooting and hell if you have the points take yerial hes everything you want in an autarch but stronger especially for melee when ive paired him with banshee theres not much my pimp and his battle babes hasnt thrashed. with the exarchs exicutioner and yriels 2+ to would both power weapons ive seen entire squads melt away but like all eldar they are fragile so be carful about target priority - a few times a coceal warlock in the mix has been meet with great results but its alot of points.

yeah ive found with shooting focued builds the farseer does more for the army than the autarch doom will be the end of squads and with guide ive seen mass terrmies go down to a single DA squad bladestorming

warlock i reserve for wraith troops and guards that needs buffs there bulk of what your using dont need the lock now if you go to higher points it become a little more viable sprinkling conceal does give survivability but at lower points is not entirly usefull

again as far as heavy weaponry goes I dont like the suicide fire dragons others advocate (not you) I say either BL your serpents or go fire prisms for support they are very versitale and with holo field tend to last I take a min of two in my list liked template is AMAZING against marines with at 2/3 the local meta here.

away theres my two cent lets us know what you decide to try and how it goes half the game is the list the other is how you play it ...........cause the dice are out of your control

SO would you then go with a Farseer with my list? SO that way with what you all suggest (without adding up points) my list would be:

HQ- Farseer- Doom, Guide

Troops-
10x Dire Avengers- Exarch, Double Catapult, Bladestorm
10x Dire AVengers- Ex, Double Catapult, Bladestorm

Elite-
10x Howling Banshees- Exarch, Executioner, War Shout, ACrobatic

Heavy-
Fire Prism- Cannon
Fire Prism- Cannon

Transports-
Wave Serpent- Cannon, BL, BL
Wave Serpent- Cannon, BL, BL
Wave Serpent- Cannon, EML, EML

I've taken the Falcon out, the Dragons out and the Shining SPears and added two Fire Prisms and BL's to my Serpents and EML to one other, plus I've gone with a Farseer instead of Autarch. Perhaps if I have points left over any suggestions? I need to check how many points this is right now though.

A few pointers:

- Wave Serpents have Twin-Linked weapons, not 2 weapons.

- Without going on a long tangent of why, just trust me and never leave home without Holofields on your Falcon/Prism/Night Spinner

- Your farseer needs Spirit Stones to cast 2 powers per turn and should never be without Runes of Warding.

- You have 3 unit configurations/tactics that really require Farseer powers to be effective. DA require doom/guide (or at least one at a minimum) and Banshees require Doom. Your farseer can't be everywhere at once.

the touch ups bluedagger said are right on give that revised list a try and let us know what you think and the battle details!

I know a guy that runs BA beastick deathstar lists but hes aweful once hes in the field and IVE NEVER LOST TO IT.

how you play is the other half of the game so again let us know how it went and your thoughts

On the Farseer, I agree with BlueDagger. RoWard is a must have. There's just too many psykers running around these days to skip one of the best psychic defenses in the game. And, either drop him to one power or give him Spirit Stones. Adding another Doomseer could also help quite a bit.

On the DA, I have no comments. That's exactly how you want to run them.

On the Banshees, this is a very tough unit to use. With a lack of a transport you can move and assault from, Eldar struggle to get units into CC. If the Banshees end up failing to get the charge, they will all die horribly from small arms fire. They're certainly playable, but require significant practice to get their value out. I'd also drop War Shout and consider dropping Acrobatic. War Shout because it's pretty worthless. Acrobatic because you'll be needing to get the charge, so counter-attack only comes into play if something goes wrong.
The debate between Executioner and Mirrorswords I leave to you to decide. But, assuming the target is Doomed, Mirrorswords are better against T4 or less and Executioner is better for T5 or more. If target isn't doomed, Executioner does better against everything T3 or more.
T3 results in 29% more wounds with MS. (Totally even if no doom)
T4 results in 4% more wounds with MS. (17% less without doom)
T5 results in 32% less wounds with MS. (44% less without doom)
T6 results in 8% less wounds with MS. (17% less without doom)

On the Fire Prism, I disagree with BlueDagger. They certainly can be given Holofields, but plenty of people like to run them naked in order to keep points at a minimum. But, the choice is yours. I'd also highly recommend you drop the Cannon upgrade. It just isn't worth it.

On the WS, you only get a single TL-gun (as BlueDagger pointed out). BL is a viable option unless you get more anti-tank. And, again, I'd skip the Cannon upgrade. These will be moving fast enough to only get the main gun anyway.


As for leftover suggestions, there's 3 that jump out at me.
1) A 2nd Farseer with just Doom to ride around with the Banshees.
2) 3 War Walkers with twin Scatter Lasers.
3) A squad of 5 FD in a WS.

Ok, so the revised list reads like this:

HQ-
Farseer- Doom, Guide, Spirit Stones, Runes of Warding=135
Autarch- Mandiblasters, Swooping Hawk Wings, Power Weapon, Fusion Gun= 120

Troops-
10x Dire Avengers- Exarch, Bladestorm, Dual Catapults=152
10x Dire Avengers- Exarch, Bladestorm, Dual Catapults=152

Elite-
10x Howling Banshees- Exarch, War Shout, Acrobatic, Executioner=192

Heavy-
Fire Prism- Cannon, Holofield= 160
Fire Prism- Cannon, Holofield= 160


Transports-
Wave Serpent- Cannon, Twin BL= 145
Wave Serpent- Cannon, Twin BL= 145
Wave Serpent- Cannon, Twin EML=130

I have 9 points left.

Who exactly is that Autarch going with? If he deepstrikes he is a sitting duck. If he moves up the field he is easily singled out. He can't go in any Transports...

If you realy want to take him I'd advise takign the wings off an putting him with the Banshees.

You will still have an issue with you psy powers spread too thin and not enough anti low AV fire, but this is probably a good start to play with and you can learn from there.

If you don't have these models already make sure to magnetize your tank. You WILL want to swap those weapons sooner or later.

Ok, so if I take the wings he can't go with my Banshees? It was my idea to have a really bad CC unit to clean up the gooey insides of the tanks I'll be sure to be popping. I do magnatize all my weapons, so swapping out is always easy :-)

Yeah the wings classify him as jump Infantry which no Eldar transport can hold.

Banshees are one of the best combat units in the game if you use them right with doom. I usually don't attempt to bring them in a 1500 pt game since Eldar are more shooting based.

To solve all of your psychic power needs, get Eldrad.

Eldrad

2 x 10 dire avenger
2 x wave serpent w/shuricannons

2 x 6 fire dragons
2 x waveserpent w/ shuricannons & star engines

3 x fire prism

1481 - with the extra pts you can customize it how you want

Helvost list is another get set up to try

Like blue said drop the wings and do pair up the autarch with banshees its a great combo

Be sure to lets us know how it goes when you try the list out I like the two generic farseers myself but eldar have some nice options