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Hi All

Was just reading about the Black Rage and that got me to thinking about the worst that could happen to an aspirant space marine when the gene-seed goes wrong!

I would have to say that turning into a slavering beast (mark of wulfen) ready to kill anything in your path is pretty terrible but also having massive insane delusions of Sanguinius can't be too nice either!!!

Which would you say was the worst corruption of the gene-seed (from any of the chapters)?

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The SW defect is pretty nasty...
There aren't that many bad ones actually...
Really bad ones I mean.

From what I know, the Blood Drinkers have it pretty bad, essentially having the Blood Angels' defects, except worse.

Ultramarines, makes them vinilla lol.

In all seriousness, The Flame Falcons ( caused them to burst into flames) or the Lamenters ( just plain bad luck).

The Mad Tanker wrote:Ultramarines, makes them vinilla lol.

In all seriousness, The Flame Falcons ( caused them to burst into flames) or the Lamenters ( just plain bad luck).

What happens to the Lamenters then?

Black Dragons - Bony Crests on forearms and Head as well as talons that could extend from their forearms (i.e. wolverine)
Flame Falcons - Spontaneous Combustion

I would say the Lamentors because the other cursed founding chapters had things that could be seen as advantageous. The flame falcons for example burst into flames but were not burned. The Lamentors got none of that and were just plain cursed. Life sucked. They all died.

UrbanCowboy wrote:I would say the Lamentors because the other cursed founding chapters had things that could be seen as advantageous. The flame falcons for example burst into flames but were not burned. The Lamentors got none of that and were just plain cursed. Life sucked. They all died.

The Flame Falcons were killed for their mutation.
The Lamentors was bad. Not only bad luck but later on they began to get the usual BA descendant curse.

I think the black dragons have it bad since their mutation is kind of hard to hide, sooner or later the inquisition is going to label them mutants and kick them out of the space marine club(via excommunication )

There have been a few.
Sons of Antaeus had Strong, almost metallic bone structure.

Wulfen Andy wrote:

The Mad Tanker wrote:Ultramarines, makes them vinilla lol.

In all seriousness, The Flame Falcons ( caused them to burst into flames) or the Lamenters ( just plain bad luck).

What happens to the Lamenters then?

Literally, just plain bad luck. No more no less.

Space wolf 13th seem pretty bad off, going insane and all. But I suppose it is only as bad as the blood angles.

Being a flame falcon sounds like fun though.

Quite a lot of bad stuff happened to the raven guard gene seed (thank you, corax) which turned some space marines into huge mutants. Kinda like ogryn space marines.

Asherian Command wrote:There have been a few.
Sons of Antaeus had Strong, almost metallic bone structure.

Most say that is just a myth. But it is true they are very hard to kill.

The worst thing that happens to ASPIRANTS as per the original post is that they reject the implants at a critical stage and die a terrible death.
The worst thing that happens to mature SMs is an out and out mutation, there's nothing worst than being betrayed by your own flesh. Being crazy is easy to deal with: you're crazy.

Yeah, Flame Falcons had major defect, but a pretty cool one. Bursting into flames that hurt enemies and not yourself? Pretty cool. Although, it did end badly for them as the Inquisition killed most of them, if not all.

The Lamenters had fairly bad defects (BA stuff), but their main problem is that they were just plain unlucky.

The Black Dragons have that interesting thing where blades, or blade-like things form on their arms.

The Flame Dragons have the worst I can recall.

The Black Dragon defect actually sounds like it could be useful, and is more easily concealed than spontaneous combustion.

The Flesh Tearers got it pretty bad, the chapter's gene seed just skips plain o'l red thirst and goes straight into black rage. Causing more harm than good when they ever go to war. Its awesome.

Ultrafool wrote:The Flesh Tearers got it pretty bad, the chapter's gene seed just skips plain o'l red thirst and goes straight into black rage. Causing more harm than good when they ever go to war. Its awesome.

Yeah, that is about as bad as it an get.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Flame_Falcons I dont see anywhere something about dying from their flames just the opposite. So I would not call that a bad gene seed flaw, but yes ofc that led to their excommunication...

the Black Dragon's mutations are known to the Inquisition, but their Geneseed has passed all Purity testing up to this point.

And it is handy to have a Bone Sword ready to pop out of your forearms at a moments notice.

The Lamenters, though, those poor sods...

"The entirety of Lambda squad just got incinerated in their strike cruiser!"

"What, how?!"

"The entirety of their flamer promethium fuel reserves went up for Brother Caliphas' flamer, for apparently no reason."

"What're the chances..."

"About 12,000,000,000 to one"

I think i still have the white dwarf with the information about the lamenters, Flame Falcons and Black Dragons but it was hinted out that they became Legion of the Damned IIRC.

Raptorbones wrote:I think i still have the white dwarf with the information about the lamenters, Flame Falcons and Black Dragons but it was hinted out that they became Legion of the Damned IIRC.

Believe that was the Fire Hawks, not the Flame Falcons.

The Space Wolves' is the worst in the grand scheme, because it precludes them from having any successor Chapters, and a good chunk of their initiates turn into mutated monstrosities that haunt their lower halls (this can also happen to full-fledged Space Wolves who get too out of hand with the whole berserker thing).

The Blood Angels have it the worst on an individual level, because they are eternally haunted by nightmares and visions, and know that collapse into utter madness and bloodlust is inevitable. Pretty bleak.

Wolf Brothers - they mutated so badly they were destroyed

Lamenters - serious bad luck and the blood angels curse

Black Dragons - Bony growths

Flame Falcons - Self Combustable

Flesh Tearers - more susceptable to the black rage then other blood angel chapters

Raven Guard - after istvaan v Corax experimented on creating faster replacement marines resulting in monsters

Minotaurs - Become berserk monsters in most situations

Salamanders - because of the radiation of their homeworld affecting their geneseed they have coal black skin and glowing red eyes

but by far the worst was with the Thousand sons which resulted in psychic manifestations and the flesh change

The Raven Guard stuff has nothing to do with their geneseed. Corax tried to replace his numbers extra fast, screwed around with the implantation process, ended up with a bunch of mutated freaks, and had to put them all down in the end. That does not extend to the rest of the Raven Guard Legion/Chapter at all. Not even a little.

Aren't the thousand suns hollow inside their armor?

Aren't the black templars nomadic?

I can't remember what was the flaw to the alpha legion, but, I know it's really bad.


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Also, aren't the iron lords bodies more mechanical?
And aren't the relictors close to being excommunicated?

remilia_scarlet wrote:Aren't the thousand suns hollow inside their armor?

Aren't the black templars nomadic?

I can't remember what was the flaw to the alpha legion, but, I know it's really bad.

Also, aren't the iron lords bodies more mechanical?

And aren't the relictors close to being excommunicated?

The Iron Hands are just another chapter, only they favour augmetics.

There actually is an Iron Lords chapter. They have almost no existing story, and none of it indicates any sort of flaw, genetic or otherwise.

The Relictors were excommunicated to the point of having their fortress-monastery leveled by the Grey Knights, but it never had much to do with their geneseed. It was their obsession with chaos relics.

More than a few chapters are spacebound for various reasons that have little to do with geneseed. Invaders are another example, they went and trashed a craftworld, so Alaitoc came and destroyed their homeworld holdings. Many destroyed or crippled chapters made bad choices and took actions that led to their ruin. While one could contend their geneseed made them silly enough to do it, it's still not a direct physical corruption, and such a stance is largely speculation.

I'd say the Chapters that are about to be outright destroyed by their flaws are the worst off of the still-breathing ones. I mean, Seth can see the doom of his Flesh Tearers at hand, they're having more and more trouble even sustaining 5 companies as the Black Rage runs rampant. It's hard to tell whether they'll run out of geneseed or succumb to the Rage first. It's hard to beat Thousand Sons, their degeneration forced them to take such a drastic step, and their result of having nothing but empty shell Rubric Marines and a handful of sorcerers is better than the alternative.