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Hi all,

Once I've collected my main list of Dark Eldar I'm wanting to make a super-themed Wych cult list using only Wyches as troops, Bloodbrides as elites and a Succubus as an HQ. The trouble I'm having is with the Heavy support. None of them are Wych themed :( The Razorwings are piloted by Reavers so i suppose that's acceptable. But is there any other way to get those lances in?

I think the list will have 4 Raiders and I can stick a blast pistol on the Succubus. Needless to say there will be haywire grenades aplenty. Could I then take something like Scourges with 2 dark lances instead of the Heavies? Is that enough to suit my AV needs?

I know it's not going to be competitive in any way, shape or form, but I would like at least a chance to win, even with my purely Wych themed list. I would never enter any tournaments with it, just for "beer and pretzels" play.

Can I have my fluff and eat it? Or will it have to be Razorwings?

Thank you in advance!

Your gonna need Ravagers. Flat. Scorges are not a good replacement for Ravagers, they are more of an added AT unit. Razorwings dont seem to be needed because you already are gonna have allot of AI in your List. And If you want to make your list better dont take the Succubus. Take The duke preferably, or Lelith. Both are good choices, but the Duke is definitively the best HQ choice for a pure whych List (2 rolls for the drugs)


Wolf

I don't think you really need lances if you have as many haywire grenades as you should have. Sure, you won't pop any tanks the first turn, but turn two you should be all over your opponent's vehicles like white on rice, and the grenades will do plenty of damage for you.

Having said that, if you explode vehicles it can do some serious damage to your Wyches if they haven't got that first pain token, so why not just bite the bullet and get some Ravagers, but convert the crew so it looks like they are piloted by Wyches/Reavers/Hellions? I know its not perfect but sometimes you've just got to do it.

L. Wrex

The only problem i see without having lances (besides as Wrec stated you have a good chance of popping the tank and your whyches) is that if you have no way of silencing the opponent s guns on turn one, what are the odds of said guns not crippling your poor paper airplanes before you get the chance to strike?

All good points. I thought things wouldn't work without the tanks, but it was worth asking. I just don't like the Ravagers that much, purely because of those guys sitting on the car seats on either side It's odd, because I really love the Raiders.

I have considered the Duke in my list, as of course the reroll on drugs would be awesome, but then will need to have at least a unit of Trueborn or Warriors, which puts a damper on my lovely Wychy list. I'm still open to it though.

On a side note, why are Ravagers so frickin' expensive (real money, not points)? They're £10.50 more than the Raider yet only having those 2 guys on the side and a couple of decorative pieces extra. I would have thought the prices for the Ravager and the Razorwing would be the other way around.

Raider = £20.50, Razorwing = £25.50, Ravager = £31

Because GW designed the codex around what was to be the best and what costs the most

Alsath wrote:On a side note, why are Ravagers so frickin' expensive (real money, not points)? They're £10.50 more than the Raider yet only having those 2 guys on the side and a couple of decorative pieces extra. I would have thought the prices for the Ravager and the Razorwing would be the other way around.

Raider = £20.50, Razorwing = £25.50, Ravager = £31

It's to force people to pay more for the additional bits. Rhinos cost exactly the same as Razorbacks for example, so people only buy Razorbacks as they get more bits for the same price. GW want to be able to say that the *entire* range is selling well, and by pricing the Ravager at ~33% more, they ensure that they sell Raider kits as well as Ravagers.

It's brutal, but it is what it is. Which is why you use online retailers to get that mystical 20-30% discount (a Ravager via Wayland Games costs £24.80).

L. Wrex

Ravagers.

You won't need anymore anti-infantry, so there's no point in sinking the extra points into the Razorwings.

'But wait! Ravagers aren't Wych-themed!'

They aren't strictly themed to any of the other factions of the Dark Eldar either. They're one of those ubiquitous vehicles like Raiders or Venoms that anyone can attain for the right price. So it's fair to say that a self-sufficient Wych cult could have a few ravagers on hand.

You could buy some of the venom crew off Ebay, and use them for your Ravager instead of the supplied kabalite crewmen. The Splinter Cannon gunner is already perfectly compatible with the prow gun on the Raider/Ravager, and could be converted to be the driver of either with a little bit of patience and knife work. The gunners on the Ravager would be a bit trickier, but they too could be converted over to the Wych Cult with the proper use of bitz.

Lokas wrote:They aren't strictly themed to any of the other factions of the Dark Eldar either. They're one of those ubiquitous vehicles like Raiders or Venoms that anyone can attain for the right price. So it's fair to say that a self-sufficient Wych cult could have a few ravagers on hand.

Ooh, I didn't know that. I always thought Ravagers were owned by the Kabals and Venoms and Raiders were more Wychy. I do like the idea of converting, and in the codex there are some Wych Ravagers on the page with the Cult of Red Grief shot. I thought that looked great, but did wonder how they did it.

I'll endeavour to do that then, when I get around to making my pure Wych cult. I'm making my main list to 1750 first

Just about all of the Dark Eldar vehicles are universal.

Only the Voidraven and Razorwing mention anything about faction affiliation, but that's just to say that their pilots were formerly reavers. But they specifically say in the Razorwing entry that they've made enough money to escape the death races, which means they're no longer affiliated with the Wych cults and probably just hired out to the highest bidder. Could be they're in the employ of the Wyches once more, or a Haemonculus Cult, or whoever.

But yeah. Converting a Ravager with some Wych crew wouldn't be particularly hard. Be glad you're not running a Haemonculus themed army. I ended up swapping my army's concept to Haemonculus and Kabalite alliance just to avoid trying to convert Wracks into crew for my Raiders. Kabalites do the flyin' and the Wracks do the dyin'~