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Question...

It's DoW... and the Eldrad Eldar (or DE w/ Lady Malys) has first turn...

The Eldar/DE player deploys their units by their table edge... then the opponent places units towards the center table at maximum distance while satisfying the DoW requirment to be at least 18" away from a Eldar/DE unit.

After everyone has deployed and scouts/infiltration moves have been completed...

Could the Eldar/Lady Malys player then "redeploy" their units (D3+1 units for Eldrad and D3 for Lady Malys) within an inch of an enemy unit, provided it's still in their half of the deployment zone (in DoW)??

I'm reading the BRB for DoW deployment, and the only limitation I see is this:
"His opponent then does the same in the opposite half, but must position his three units more than 18" from enemy units."

The way I read this is that only the 2nd turn player is limited by the 18" rule in DoW deployment...

Is that right?

There are 2 ways to look at it, and yet both are RAW:

1) Yes, it is perfectly legit for the reasons you stated, only the second player cannot deploy his units within 18" of the first players units.

2) No, it is not legal because by redeploying, you are forcing the opponent to illegally deploy(The rule says he must position his 3 units more than 18" from enemy units, your changing of position will lead to his breaking the rule).

I am leaning more towards the second reading.

Kommissar Kel wrote:(The rule says he must position his 3 units more than 18" from enemy units, your changing of position will lead to his breaking the rule).

Your moving your own models later doesn't change the fact that he placed his legally to begin with.

I understand that, but the end result is his models being positioned within 18" of an enemy unit, which is illegal.

Kommissar Kel wrote:I understand that, but the end result is his models being positioned within 18" of an enemy unit, which is illegal.

It's not illegal for them to be there, just for him to deploy them there.

insaniak wrote:

Kommissar Kel wrote:I understand that, but the end result is his models being positioned within 18" of an enemy unit, which is illegal.

It's not illegal for them to be there, just for him to deploy them there.

Agreed. It's all legit.

Also, to the OP, the redeploying happens after infiltrators, but BEFORE scouts.

It is illegal to place them there. The wording of Eldrad's rule is "redeploy" therefor you have to follow the restriction of deployment. Not being within 18" is one of the restrictions of DoW deployment.

Blue dagger nailed it.

Bzzzt, wrong. Or rather, overly broad statement that is incorrect when applied to the OP situation.

Not being within 18" is one of the restrictions ON THE PLAYER GOING SECOND in DoW deployment.

If you go first you may place your models ANYWHERE within your half, that is a legal deployment. If you are "redeploying" after going first you follow your rules - whcih allows you to redeploy anywhere on your half of the table.

Actually I think Eldrads wording says must be placed in your deployment zone. Your deployment zone is one half the board.

BlueDagger wrote:It is illegal to place them there. The wording of Eldrad's rule is "redeploy" therefor you have to follow the restriction of deployment. Not being within 18" is one of the restrictions of DoW deployment.

Actually it just says "reposition" NOT "redeploy". Additionally the units may not be moved outside of the deployment zone.

"No unit may be moved outside of its deployment zone" is the text in Eldrad's rule.

To answer the OP's question, No, and here is why. Pg 11 of the BGB states that you cannot move within 1" of an enemy model unless assaulting. I would argue you can reposition your models to be as close as possible, but they would still have to remain at least 1" away.

whoa...

good discussion ya'll.

Happyjew wrote:To answer the OP's question, No, and here is why. Pg 11 of the BGB states that you cannot move within 1" of an enemy model unless assaulting. I would argue you can reposition your models to be as close as possible, but they would still have to remain at least 1" away.

The OP does specifically state "within an inch", so your point is moot.

Using Dark Eldar with Malys as an example, the situation is thus: Dark Eldar player goes first. Deploys their army, of which one unit is a unit of Incubi - which is deployed (for the sake of this example) near the back of the DE deployment zone.

The second player deploys, and deploys, say, a squad of tactical marines right against their deployment border, in the middle of the table.

After this, Dark Eldar player rolls to redeploy, and consequently redeploys the unit of Incubi right in front of the tactical marines (1" away). This effectively allows them to immediately engage the tactical marine squad without any hassle at all.

The reason why, RaW, this is legal, is that the restriction to deploy 18" away from enemy models is only specifically applied to the player going second.

Good thing incubi can't be deployed in DoW then!

lledwey wrote:Good thing incubi can't be deployed in DoW then!

Whups!

Replace Incubi with Wytches / Wracks / Hellions

Haha, but yeah, this would be a very sneaky trick, although it should only work once against an opponent. Surely after that they'll expect it and deploy further back!

Happyjew wrote:To answer the OP's question, No, and here is why. Pg 11 of the BGB states that you cannot move within 1" of an enemy model unless assaulting. I would argue you can reposition your models to be as close as possible, but they would still have to remain at least 1" away.

Actually deployment is NOT moving. You place models when deploying, not move.

This topic came up in ard-boyz practice before they changed mission 1. As Eldar Dark or Craftworld in first turn could kill the messenger quickly even with DoW and get that first turn assault or mind war. Mission rules have changed to pitched battle and no night fighting. Redeploy is still going to be nasty if you want to keep that messenger alive.